Update: Film link below no longer works, as the Hanso website is now all ugly and Flash-based. You can follow more of my “LOST” notes in the TV category.
Update: The Dharma Initiative Orientation film (SPOILERS!) is now up on the Hanso Foundation website. You’d think they would post a higher quality copy, that being the “official” website and all. Obviously polar bears got to the film reel and had a chew on it before they could do a capture and transfer to Flash.
At this moment, 9:26pm of 5 Oct 2005, there are exactly zero results on Google for “The Dharma Initiative.” That’s going to change starting in the next thirty minutes or so. I’m pleased to see that my “Lost” theory as of last episode was close, though not too close, but I knew the ba gua was significant. Possible spoilers follow; highlight the text to read.
My theory from before this episode, “Orientation”: [SPOILER]The ba gua, popularly a Chinese good luck emblem, is the logo of Dharma, a company involved in manipulating the fabric of chance and reality based on the thoughts and desires of its “customers.” The island is their testing ground, but something has gone wrong, and the experiment is pulling people to itself, stretching out tentacles of chance to anyone infected directly or indirectly, with The Numbers — a memetic pathogen which changes its victims’ luck, bending reality around them and ultimately drawing them to the island, where the experiment brings to life the thoughts and desires of the more “sensitive” survivors. The polar bear, the shark, the Monster, the anomalies and sicknesses, are all the result of Dharma Corp’s meddling in the fabric of reality, but ultimately have sprung from the tortured minds of the characters. Kind of like that “Shore Leave” episode of classic Star Trek.[/SPOILER]
Revealed on tonight’s episode of Lost: [SPOILER]The Dharma Initiative, a collective of 1980s scientists who conducted research in a variety of fields with the funding of a wealthy benefactor, refer to the island as a “station” with unique electromagnetic qualities. The Numbers are some kind of maintenance routine which resets Desmond’s counter and keeps something from happening. (A dimensional rift? The release of a world-threatening pandemic? Nothing at all?) It would seem that the various phenomena on the island are results of the scientists’ experiments from long ago. (But not too long ago; c’mon, Betamax was around by 1980. Dharma could have shot their instructional videos on tape. The “film” was so obviously an edited video with strobe and dust-and-scratches filters applied to it. Too much fancy graphics work and clarity for a simple 8mm or 16mm film.)[/SPOILER]
It’s kind of funny that the ba gua (or pa kwa, as I knew it growing up) is treated with such mystery in this series. I was surrounded by pa kwas in the Philippines, whose culture is strongly influenced by its significant Chinese heritage. (Both sides of my family are part Chinese.) Thousands of houses in Manila have the little red pa kwa mirror over their front doors to invite good luck and ward off evil spirits. I was not particularly fond of the emblem myself.
Updates: Also see The Hanso Foundation, and the same person seems to have registered TheDharmaInitiative.com. Collin vs. Blog has some background on Desmond’s choice of reading material. More on that, and references to the “black air,” from Mostly Muppet. Also note this reference to B. F. Skinner. Egoplex has some thoughts on The Numbers, 108, and solar rotations.
Ooohh, something that just occurred to me: when Michael’s ex (Walt’s mother) left to go to Europe with Walt, what was this huge, high-paying job she was going off to take? My theory is that it was something to do with the Dharma Initiative, which would explain Walt’s deeper involvement with the island’s goings-on. Maybe Walt has Polar Bear Summoning Powers or something.
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Fascinating theories! Thanks for sharing them.
Interesting, Paulo… Very interesting. Hmmm. :)
And now, “The Dharma Initiative” isn’t coming up in Google anymore… What is going on? What does _that_ mean? ;)
‘the same person’ who registered the sites is Disney corp…aka ABC…
Walt’s mom was lawyer. The high paying job she got was as a partner at a law firm.
I don’t know if this was mentioned before, but everytime they show Walts comic book they show the page with the polar bear on it. So the bear could have come from walts imagination
The high paying job she got was as a partner at a law firm…in Amsterdam.
The scientists who started the Dharma initiative were named DeGroot (a Dutch surname).
There are other links to Amsterdam but I can’t think of them right now.
All this means…maybe not a thing
dude, “the guy” who registered the hanso foudation, is actually ABC network:
Welcome to the Internet sites of the Walt Disney Internet Group (“WDIG”). WDIG includes Disney.com, ABCNEWS.com, ABC.com, ESPN.com, DisneyStore.com, Go.com, Movies.com, and FamilyFun.com and other Internet sites affiliated with The Walt Disney Company (each a “WDIG Site”). WDIG is operated by The Walt Disney Company and its affiliates (collectively referred to herein as “we,” “us,” or “our”).
was found on the terms of use link down the page.
There’s a secret link on The Hanso Foundation website, just under all of the other links, that displays the orientation video found on the island.
Walt was not the only one who saw the polar bear so it couldn’t have just been his imagination.
http://www.the-dharma-initiative.org/ this is the website for the dharma initiative
I don’t think so; an official “Lost”-related website would have the same representative from ABC in the WHOIS info, and there would be a subtle link to an official Terms of Use policy. No, there’s just a lot of fan sites popping up.
Good stuff.
im from england and i havent seen many episodes but i love it never the less. i think the man in the phschoatrical ward is a man who use to live within the bunker that is why he repeats the numbers, obviously the numbers have a super natural meaning with their constant use within the film.
did anyone see the swan symbol on the shark that swam by in the 2nd season premier? it was on its tail
I did indeed see the symbol on the shark. It’s the miracle of TiVo. Now I just need to hook up and old reel-to-reel tape recorder so that I can play back all the “backwards masking” audio from the Orientation film. And yes, Beta was around in 1980, but it’s a magnetic medium, and would have been erased by the strong magnetic current at Swan Station, hence the 8mm. It is also interesting that when the Orientation mentions zoology, the image shown is of two polar bears. So what is it that Alvar Hanso wants, anyway?
Dont know if this was discovered or not but Hurley’s numbers do add up to 108. Which was the counter reset number!
Also in the Orientation film the founder is actually loche’s Father. When they pan ito the window of the headquarters window you can see him. This would explain Loche’s deep relationship with the island. I also beleive that loche has been to the island before!
Keep them coming everyone!
Is anyone pursuing Desmond’s reference to his rescuer, Calvin, with whom Desmond took shifts to push the button every 108 minutes and who died at some point leaving Desmond alone? My path of inquiry: John Calvin (1509-1564), a leader of the Protestant Reformation, one-time lawyer, humanist and admirer of Erasmus before experiencing a “sudden conversion” which he claimed freed him from his father’s shackles (connection to Lock’s father?) Calvin believed in predestination — that there are the Elect (those whom God predestined for salvation regardless of their behavior on earth — connection to Lock? the survivors?) and the Reprobates destined for eternal damnation (the Others?) regardless of the lives they lead on earth. Calvin was labeled a heretic in his native France. He fled to Geneva, a refuge for exiles and expatriots at that time (the island?) So, is there a ratio — Calvin:the Elect::John Lock:the survivors of Flight 815? Is there a relationship between Calvin’s Geneva and the island? Is Calvinism a leitmotif of the series? I’m also going to pursue John Hobbes, Calvin’s philosophical opposite. Maybe the Calvin and Hobbes comic strip, too.
John Locke is the name of the philosopher involved in the United States Constitution.
we all know that 108 is the sum of “the numbers”, but the days that the two guardians were supposed to stay in the hatch are 540, that is what you get if you multiply 108 times 5… does anyone know why these freakin’ numbers appear everywhere?
1) The reference in the Orientation film to B.F. Skinner may refer to his behavior modification experiments where he tested how long someone would continue to do a certain behavior (enter a sequence of #s every 108 minutes) if they were told that failing to do it had bad consequences but were not told what the consequences were. The film does not mention any conquences or why – just an instruction that the behavior must be done.
2)Desmond’s “lab” is station 3. I suspect there are other stations in the Dharma Initiative and that all of them are sprinkled across the island.
3) perhaps the the man in the psycho ward was on the Island, but part of another station, where the crew were being conditioned that the Numbers were “bad”.
4) The Orientation film mentioned several different types of scientific experiments other than Station 3’s electromagnetic focus. I suspect the polar bears are part of another DI station studying zoology and Walt’s premonitions make him valuable to the DI team studying paranormal psychology. Perhaps the French woman is part of another DI station.
5) What went wrong at Hanso Foundation that they stranded Calvin since he was supposed to be replaced years ago?
Why does the “big guy” never discuss his relationship to the “numbers” ???
The girl from The Pit was having drinks with Jack in the Lounge before the flight….Correct??
What does the old Dutch Guy want ?
One of the Mission Statements of the Hanso Foundation is “Life-Extension”
I cut sum audio out of the episode where Walt is reading aloud from a magazine with a polar bear in it….yes ?
anyway i don’t know what he says (yet) but the background music sounds the same backwards as forwards.
at the end of the film, the man warns not to use the computer for….. , then the film skips some dialogue. what he could have said was do not attempt to use the computers code for outside purposes. hence, the bad luck hurly had after playing the numbers in the lottery!
we know what walt says (backwards) when he comes back all wet right ?
No Zardos, what does he say>>>??? I’m dying to know!
the first parts hard to here. it goes
*something* press the button, the button is bad
Hello all,
I am from the UK and we are not event half way through the 1st series however after a trip to the USA i got me the 1st series on DVD. O yes I wont spoil it for anybody from the UK on here but what a show, I have been watching series 2 on the internet and it looks even better that the 1st.
Just one question, what does jack and desmond seem to know each other ?????
Thank you
I usually don’t watch Lost, but I found this article in a norwegian newspaper
about the Hanso-video interesting(in Norwegian):
http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2005/10/07/445691.h…
The buliding in the video is the town-hall in the northern norwegian city of Narvik.
The person clearly visible in the window is assumed to be Ivar Normark, father to a norwegian
soccer-coach, who worked in the government in the town of Narvik between 1948 and 1991.
The footage is also assumed to have been shot in the 80’s, due to structural work which is
noticeable on the video. The video must also have been shot after 1972, due to the fact that
the smaller building to the left of the town-hall was erected after this.
The norwegian television-company showing Lost has written to Buena Vista to find out where
they found the clip.
Enjoy!
Mats Caspar, Norway.
Walt is not saying that the button is bad. He says “Press the button, no button’s bad”.
Also, the logo on the sharks tale is the Dharma logo, but not the same one as on the hatch. It is not the “swan” logo.
Also, check back in episode 1. About 5 minutes in, Jack is on the beach with Claire. Just as someone is sucked into the running airplane engine, you can see a black mist swoop out of the sky, hit the engine, it explodes, and the back mist swoop back into the sky.
In season 1 episode “Tabula Rasa” (for those with the DVD, Disk 1) at 41′42″ you can clearly see the “swan” dharma logo on the burned out section of the plane, just to the right of Walt.
One last thing. The Hanso Foundation site is NOT a fan site and IS an official lost site. It is owned by Disney, parent company of ABC. Sheck out the lower left hand corner, just under the copyright. There is a lighter “terms of use” link that takes you to Disney.
wow i love all this info… what a show!
Nice work y’all
I have a theory I’ve been bouncing around…
The black mist could be a swarm of nanomachines (a la Michael Crichton’s Prey) – which might explain Walt appearing, or the re-animation of Jack’s Dad – or even the polar bears.
So Jack’s dead father shows up (remember that?) – and there’s a DI logo on the side of the plane. That got me thinking – what if everyone in the plane actually died also and got sprinkled over the beach then reanimated as part of “The Hanso Life-Extension Project”
..?
The polar bears are explained now. They are part of the zoological part of the island. Probably the same for the shark.
I’m not too sure about the dying/ reanimation. The produces already said that they weren’t dead. And what about those who have already died? Boone? The woman who drowned? Ethan? The marshall?
We haven’t figured out yet about Jack’s dad. Remember, he was having difficulty getting the body on the plane. Nobody ever said he was successful. He was successful on getting the casket on, but maybe the body is still in Austrailia.
i don’t know if this is relevant, but bruce lee (yes, that bruce lee) had one of these hanging outside his house to balance out the chi and ward off the evil spirits that cursed his family. it was washed away in a storm and bruce died the next day. just thought it was interesting…
Awesome theories. Thanks for sharing.
But the biggest key to me is the presence of the Dharma Initiative logo on the shark…
“dont push the button, the button is bad”
Lex.. the shark is part of the zoological portion of the initiative, just like the polar bears. I haven’t checked yet, but I’m going to go look at the DVD to see if I can find the logo on the polar bears too.
there is an episode where Walt is reading a book on birds. Then a bird flies into the window… the same kind of bird as in Walt’s book.
On the Island Walt is reading a comic with a polar bear, then a polar bear apears on the (tropical) island.
I say Walt has some paranormal powers and that is why “they” want him so bad.
I also think that the people on the boat are scientists from Dharma and Dharma has gone wrong.
They think Walt may be the solution.
Push the button, no button’s bad
Walt is key to the others, just like Hurley is key to the survivors.
Fate did not want Hurley on that plane. He was the only one who had big problems making the flight. Alarm clock, car trouble, wrong terminal, long security line, the plan was about to leave. Hurley is a factor, just don’t know what yet.
The numbers, on another site, was discovered to represent DHARMA in certain combinations…d being the 4th number…h being the 8th letter…and adding combinations of the numbers will give you the other letter (wrapping the numbers accoringly A being 27 again). Not sure if anyone caught this or if there is any meaning…in the orientation video the person said that they would stay at the station for 540 days…which is divisible by 108 (5). Any thoughts on these?
Brain,
I don’t follow what you are saying about the numbers and Dharma. I follow that 4=D, 8=H, 4+8+15=27, because only 26 letters, 27 would=A, but then R is #18 in the alphabet and m is 13. Can you explain?
i think that number game is getting a little silly.
Hello there i dont know if any of you saw the trailer for episode 4 at the end of episode 3 but if you did you may have noticed one of the smallest 2 see but biggest in mystery is Jin saying in perfect English
‘Everything is going to change’
even tho he cant speak English. or can he now?
Yes, I did hear Jin speaking perfect English, what is up with that?
He probably learned it because he was going to run when they got to LA, just like Sun
My copy of the Dharma Initiative video is too fuzzy to tell, but perhaps somebody with a clear copy of the show could tell me if the DI patch on the lab coat of the guy giving the orientation is discernible? It’s clearly not the swan patch. It don’t think it’s the same symbol as the one on the shark. It would be cool if somebody could create a web collection of the different Dharma patch symbols. Is the symbol on the plane the same, or yet a different one?
Also, the video copyright information says it was copyrighted in 1980. The video seemed a lot older than that to me, but maybe that’s just because a lot of the video clips were from the 70s.
So I have a few questions for you Mats Caspar. Are you saying that this video clip is a real video clip from the 80s? And that the guy in the window is footage of a real guy, and not some character in the show? Somebody else mentioned that the guy in the window is Locke’s father. It does kind of look like him, maybe, but it also looks like cancer man from the X-Files. Mulder’s father. Any comments on who that guy really is would be appreciated.
Another thing that everone might already know: John Locke(the real guy) had a theory of tabula rasa. That means “blank slate” in some other language. It said you were affected by your surroundings, not by your genes or hereditary things.
I also didn’t catch the bird book and the bird flying in on Walt. I wish I had the DVD. I also think Walt said, “Don’t push the button, the button is bad.” Does anyone know if he said this before or after Lock, Kate, and Jack knew about the button?
John Locke can now walk due to something in the electromagnetic whatever from the station. When he wandered too far from it looking for that plane he and Boone found he began to stumble and couldn’t walk. Remember that?
There has to be to the relationship between the experiments and Locke regaining use of his legs. What experiment are they running that could heal someone like that?
Mike,
I did a screen capture of the logo on the plane. If you give me an email address, I’ll email it to you.
To me, it looks like it is the Swan logo.
I think Walt was saying “push the button, no buttons bad” but it would make more sense if he did say the button was bad. He said it just before Jack was going to push the execute button before Locke and Desmond interuppted him.
Jay, I’d like to see that logo. Here is my email address. Please send it to me. 3bucksrule@mchsi.com
Has anyone mentioned the watch that I believe Walt ended up with on the raft?
There are many other good points to read if you click on the B.F. Skinner link. He set up an experiment where a rat pulls a lever to get his food. He then even does it on a normal frequency. Familiar?
Also, has anyone been successful in getting into the dharma initiative site or are they getting access denied?
Jay, I am somewhat new to this site but I was wondering if you could send me a clip of the logo. Jeff@itslowell.com. Thanks!
what is the swan logo?
You are all making me feel real dumb… If I didn’t have to work and maintain a social life, I could really get into analyzing all this and rewatching episodes!
earlier someone gave the dharma initiative website, (www.the-dharma-initiative.org/)but if you go to http://www.thedharmainitiative.org, (i.e. without the spaces) it gives a similar logo, and then you have to login, anyone know what the login is?
you don’t have to login, just click on the logo and the tape plays.
has anyone seen this map of the interior of the map? If this address doesn’t take you there, type in mostlymuppet.com and look under archives.
http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapreal0ar.png
P.S. Has anyone found a map of the island yet, all i’ve found is Rouseau’s map and it doesn’t give much.
Has anybody thought of a theory of the skeletons found at the caves in season 1, i remember jack finding the white and black stones, but here is an idea. Are they Dharma people or Desmond’s buddy Calvin? Are they people that Dharma tested?
4815162342 as individual numbers adds up to 36
540 divided by 36 is 15. 15 is one of the numbers. I don’t know if this is helpful, but just some more math to lost. Maybe 36 or 15 is the number of other people on the island. (other than related to the plane crash).
If desmond was on a race in a boat, what happened to the boat? Same with Danielle, what happened to her boat, if it was a scientific expedition what happened to a pretty large boat? It couldn’t of have sunk because it had to take some time unloading all those batteries,guns, and other possesions.
Does anybody have a theory to that?
Has anybody established a timeline of who came to the island?
Here is a basic one though i am not sure if anybody said anything about the date of the heroin plane. I assume it probably came before Rousseau
1. Black Rock
2. Dharma Initiative (?)
3. Heroin Plane ?
4. Rousseau 16yrs (?)
5. Desmond 2yrs
6. Flight 815
Has anybody figured out why both the Black Rock and the heroin plane is from Africa?
I think the ship came from Mozambique according to Locke. Where the plane is from I don’t remember.
Can anybody connect this to what is currently going on?
I also would like to know how to login on that website. I believe it is different than clicking on the logo. It specifically has a pop up window asking for Username and password.
I love this show and all this talk is crazy and intriguing at the same time. I had to look back myself at some of the details mentioned above.
Also no one has taken the terue meaning of what Swan means: Affirm: to declare or affirm solemnly and formally as true; “Before God I swear I am innocent”. Hmmmm….
If anyone knows how to Login on the Website of DharmaInitiative.org, I’d like to know!
Does anybody think the name “Black Rock” possibly relates to New Mexico? They tested all sorts of scientific stuff, such as the bombs that ended WW2. The Manhattan Project, etc. Could it just be a coincidence? Maybe the Dharma Initiative is like the Manhattan Project.
Do you think the reason why no one has known about the island is because its electromagnetic field screws up satellite gps in mapping? It is a pretty big island (so it seems) to be relatively unknown.
I do agree with the idea that the orientation film when he says “do not use… is refering to the numbers which may be why all the bad luck has happened to Hurly and the guy in Australia who killed himself to escape from those numbers.
Tentatively thinking, why would Walt’s mother/ micheal’s ex move to Sydney Australia from Amsterdam. I’m thinking that she worked for Hanso or Dharma in some way. remember Brian describing Walt as “special”. Also do you think she died of the ’sickness’ if she visited one of the dharma labs?
Maybe she was part of the experiment because of Walt’s special abilities. Possibly?
And finally, does anybody see the Star Wars thing in Lost?
The Father problem
Hanso sounds like Han Solo
Sawyer calling Micheal and Jin “Han and Chewie”
Sawyer reminds me of Han Solo in his attitude, speech.
In one of the blogs on this site somebody found an acronym of J.E.D.I which stands for something like Juxtapose E_____ Dharma Initiative.
I think one of the writers of the show was a Star Wars geek or something. It is just starting to get a little obvious.
Also if you look at Desmond he has a picture of him with a woman… i think it was jacks wife because when he sees the photo he gives a confused look, and it wasn’t conicidence that he was running in the stadium, maybe desmond wanted to know if he could fix her becuase she was a part of his life, and when he said no he left her.
Speaking of Jack’s wife, did anybody else catch that the other guy in that accident was Shannon’s father?
I think Desmond knew Jack’s wife somehow.
Correction: The map site i posted earlier is of the interior of the hatch. It is made by some attentive viewer to the background. Its not great, but it is the first i have found so far.
Does anyone know what the stuff Desmond shoots into his arm is?
He even takes it with him when he runs away.
Is it what he thinks is the antidote or preventer of :the sickness”?
The comic book Walt is reading is of Flash and the Green Lantern. In it, they encounter a Polar Bear. The Green Lantern has a ring that allows him to make what he imagines real, like Walt. The Green Lantern character is an artist, like Walt’s dad.
Perhaps the numbers are from the periodic table of elements. 4-Beryllium, 8-Oygen, 15-Phosphorous, 16-Sulfur, 23-Vanadium, and 42-Molybdenum.
WOW! that is something i never even thought of. Chemistry with the numbers. Does anybody know what any of those elements can make?
Out of curiousity, I counted the the dashes on the Dharma Initiative logo. There are 36, and as jayhawk said above, “4815162342 as individual numbers adds up to 36″. Don’t know if this means anything.
When Kate gets out of the shower she said it was nice to take a shower if you don’t mind the sulfur smell and the water went cold a few times. This could relate to the number 16 sulfur??? Has any found the login yet????
I think the sulfur smell is as a result of the Geothermals that were mentioned as a source of that outposts power. Which would make sense since most islands are as a result of volcanic activity.
Geothermal energy is still one of the lesser developed forms of renewable energy due to it’s inconsistencies. Hence the shower going cold periodically.
I found this by viewing the source on the login box at http://thedharmainitiative.org/
function checkForm() {
var url=”login/?uid=” + escape(document.forms[0].elements['uid'].value) +
“&pwd=” + escape(document.forms[0].elements['pwd'].value)
var hash = hex_md5(document.forms[0].elements['uid'].value + document.forms[0].elements['pwd'].value);
if ((hash == “4ce8eb77952dcf34505de7e04fd68fc7″) || (hash == “732d9dda7f79c827c4453bda8f2d441a”)) {
window.opener.location.href=url;
window.close();
} else {
document.forms[0].elements['errorMessage'].value = “Invalid login”;
document.forms[0].elements['uid'].value = ”;
document.forms[0].elements['pwd'].value = ”;
document.forms[0].elements['uid'].focus();
}
return false;
}
Anyone want to reverse engineer this?
I’ve just recently gone to bigspaship1.com and I got a flash video. It has 2 polarbears standing up (as sprites, like a video game) They start moving toward, and then through each other. When they are on top of each other, a red circle appears roughly where their hearts are, and on a zoom, I can read “2FEN06″ inside the circle. Also, the title tab when I have multiple sites open (Firefox) has a bunch of Morse Code representation, which translates to “chocolate/asclepius.” Asclepius was apparently a mythological Greek human turned god who was the god of medicine/surgery. So, any thoughts?
Took a flash decompiler to both that flash and the one for the Dharma Institute where you get the “BAD IP” message. If I understand it all correctly, there is no way to get through. I only ever see 3 numbers turning green, and there is no page redirect or anything.
Actually a Fen is a Chinese Imperial unit of measurement for mass and weight.
1 Fen is equal to 9,842065e-06 long hundredweight in US measurements. What all this (9,842065e-06)means I couldn’t tell you but the -06 may be pertinent to the 2FEN(06).
What, may I ask, led you to that web site and what relevance does it have to the topic. I’m not being a thorn I’m simply trying to make the relation.
Thanks
I tried to use chocolate/asclepius as username & password to login to http;//www.thedharmainitiative.org. It’s highly unlikely that the two sites are related, but who knows…?
Didn’t work, anyway. Anyone could login to that site?
has anyone explored a religious idea behind the island? i have heard various ideas that they are all dead and in purgatory. these have now shown to be wrong.
is locke jesus? OR A PROPHET?
intersting idea above!!!!
Desmond had a partner that we don’t know how he died. What about the episode where they find 1 extra person not on the flight roster. Don’t they kill that guy??? could that of have been Desmond’s partner??
The Dharma Initiative I beleive picked out every one on flight 815 and they all have ties through there family or friends to the The Dharma Initiative
does any one know how to login in to the DI website? any help at guessing the password or username would be helpful.
Ok, I am fixiated on trying to log onto this site.
I’ve tried (with no good results):
Usernames: Polarbear, Swan, Greenlantern, Chocolate, Asclepius, Surgery, Dharma
Passwords tried: 2FEN06, 2FENO6, 36, 108, 540, 4815162342
And I used all with all combinations. Anybody else trying this hard to get in?
Also, I emailed a scientist in Switzerland about the elements to see if they were combined into some kind of compound what would it be? Hope to get an answer.
thanks for your reply MissZeus. i seem to have tried many of the same things!
will post it up if i get in
great posts so far! lots of thought-provoking ideas out there. how ’bout this one: does anyone know what the significance of The Dharma Initiative symbol is in relation to the Ba Gua wheel? And did anybody else notice that the Swan Yin-Yang symbol is depicted as an upside-down representation of the Ba Gua, where they’ve inverted the North-South compass points? what’s up w’ dat?!
Has anyone else thought that the who island is station 3? In the training vid it mentions that DI has facilities all over the world and the one they are on is there for the magnetic properties.
It could be possible that all the bunkers are connected thru the doorways that are now filled with the cement, and Sayid had said that the last time he heard of something being covered up with concrete like that was Trinoble (sp?)
I don’t think the polar Bears have anything to do with walt (as in summoning them out of thin air) because Rousseau mentioned them to Sayid when she had captured him. So I would think that they have been there on the island for a long time.
Just some of my thoughts
you know this is all interesting but eventually someone from Hanso is going to get into the discussion and feed you some nice red herrings to get away from the truth
On the http://www.oceanic-air.com/ site there is some stuff which appears then disappears the source reads
If anyone should find this message, please get word I’m alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they’re getting worse…
Its another Disney site, too.
Sally
I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents.
Heres something interesting from Mr Clucks site. I saved a frame from the animated GIF
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7833/mrcluck19oj.gif
From http://en.wikipedia.org/
Oceanic Airlines is a fictional airline used on television and in movies, not to be confused with Trans Oceanic Airlines which was an actual Australian carrier from the 1940s and 1950s. Nor should it be confused with Ocean Airlines, which, according to their home page, “is a new all-cargo airline with its operational base and company headquarters located at Brescia Montichiari Airport, Italy. Ocean Airlines was established in 2003 to meet customer demands for quality air freight services from Italy to Asia, Africa and North/South Americas”.
Because many films and programs featuring significant footage of airliners tend to have plots involving the plane meeting various disastrous ends, use of a real airline name and logo is understandably undesirable; Oceanic Airlines has been a popular choice as a plausible fictional alternative. As such, portrayal of Oceanic Airlines as being disaster-prone has become something of an inside joke among television and movie fans: for example, popular TV review site Television Without Pity sold a set of limited edition shirts and messenger bags branded with an “Oceanic Airlines” logo and the slogan “Getting halfway there is all the fun!” The Oceanic slogan from Lost seems especially apt for the danger-prone airline: “Taking You Places You’ve Never Imagined!”, as does its logo: a highly stylized bulls-eye.
Producers of the 1996 movie Executive Decision filmed extensive exterior aerial footage using an actual Boeing 747 painted with the fictional airline’s logo. Other uses of Oceanic are apparently from different people coming up with the name independently, while several other productions have incorporated recycled footage from Executive Decision.
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Films and television shows featuring Oceanic Airlines
Executive Decision — Oceanic Flight 343 from Athens to Dulles, Virginia was hijacked by terrorists.
Panic in the Skies
Nowhere to Land — Oceanic Flight 762, also from Sydney to Los Angeles. Nerve gas onboard.
Lost — Oceanic Flight 815 from Sydney to Los Angeles disintegrated at a low altitude over the Pacific Ocean after drifting thousands of miles off course. At least 48 passengers survived the crash. It should be noted that a tie-in website created by Lost’s producers showed Oceanic as going out of business. The website even permits those viewing the site to access a “track flight” page — the number 815 and the departure and arrival points (Sydney and Los Angeles, respectively), are already keyed into the tracking fields. When the “track” button is clicked, a page is accessed displaying flight information for six oceanic flights, the information containing numerous in jokes (for example, the arrival airport code for flight 671 is listed as “JJA”, the initials of Lost creator J.J. Abrams; more provocatively, information for flight 572 lists the status of the flight as “Giveus”, the departure airport’s code is listed as “THE”, and the arrival airport’s code is listed as “BOY”). The seating chart section of the site for Oceanic Flight 815 has “The Numbers” written below. If the page is refreshed a number of times certain seats turn green indicating a link. The Link for Shannon Rutherford’s seat leads to an anagram for character Ethan Rom.
In response to ‘Trinoble’ he really meant Chernobyl, the site of the world’s worst nuclear disaster that occured in 1986. To stop the radiation leak they covered the site with tons of concrete.
Did anybody catch the new dharma symbol in the bunker where Ana Lucia took Micheal, Sawyer and Jin? Also did anybody else notice that it seemed abandoned and in worse shape than Desmond’s.
I think this new bunker is a totally different one because if they were doing something to the shark(s) wouldn’t that facility be close to the ocean or some body of water on the island? Just a wild theory.
locke said he hasnt seen a computer like that in 20 years, doesnt this make the station seem kinda old.
Looking further back on the dharma symbol which is an i-ching symbol, the hatch marks around the swan are only Identical to one other that I have seen , the pre 1883 pre revolutionary Korean flag thus tying in Suns father, jin’s father in law who ran some sort of mob corporation, does anyone remember what kind of factory suns father was trying to build? remember he had Jin strong arm building permits from a politician to get it started?
I didn’t see where anyone mentioned the invisible thing that ripped the pilot out of the plane. I don’t remember the name of this old Science fiction movie but the people that lived on this planet were real intelligent and created the ultimate invention. Through their power source an id could be created from a very deep fear. It too was invisible yet had power to destroy. With the power generating from the station, perhaps such a condition could be duplicated. The writers of Lost could have easily added something like this in.
I just found this site and I am a huge fan. I also found another site that shows a blown up version of the “swan” logo. If you look closely it looks more like a snake with it’s tongue sticking out than a swan. Just a thought. Keep it coming.
Has anyone considered that the “island” is really a Wal-mart and Jack is the gm? I have.
Another thing I found to be interesting was that Locke has a scar through his right eye. The second letter in ‘right’ is i, which is also the 9th letter in our alphabet. 9 being how many pieces of chicken Hurly stole from his old job!!
think about it…
WOW — GREAT IDEAS EVERYONE !! IM NEW TO THIS MESSAGE BOARD AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS ABOUT THE BABY? IS THERE A SIGNIFICANCE TO A NEW LIFE ON THE ISLAND? THE FRENCH CHICK TOOK THE BABY IN HOPES OF TRADING IT FOR HER OWN SON, BUT IN REALITY ” THE OTHERS” WANTED WALT. WHATS THE DEAL WITH “THE OTHERS” TRYING TO TAKE ALL THE KIDS? MAYBE THEY WANT TO REBUILD THEYRE COLONY WITH KIDS WHO ARENT AFFFECTED WITH THE SICKNESS? I DUNNO, JUST BRAINSTORMING……
hmmmm…i think hurley ate an 8 piece meal……but im sure he wishes he had more chicken now :)
R3 — a snake is what i thought it was at first glance, until i saw the film.
ok — just had another thought. i went to that website dharmainitive thingy and i saw the swan symbol. the dashes surrounding the swan are not all alike…….anyone know morse code? dashes and spaces may spell out something…possibly a username and password ??? just a guess but need someone smarter then me to figure it out if it actually IS morse code.
I read something that one of the people on the plane has something or has made something that can cause time travel. And maybe the island is in the past not the future.
Has anyone else heard this?
Is the Narrator of orientation Jin’s father…
ok—ignore that morse code thing…that was stupid, my only excuse is that ive been awake for 37 hrs straight and my only form of nourishment has been 4 lbs of M&M’s……………
one more comment and ill stop…..maybe……does anyone know what the tattoo on dr. jacks arm is? i can never seem to get a good look at it…..
Check it out:
Go to http://thedharmainitiative.org/orientation/
Watch the film…
About 5/6 of the way thru, after the Dr. explains the computer procedure via the model of the dome, there’s a close-up of his eyes. Use the slider to get to the beginning of the sequence, and move forward frame by frame via the play/pause button. There is an extra ghosted frame here w/a white Dharma-style logo in the top right corner: a flying swan? a spider? You decide. (You can’t isolate the frame w/the slider, must use the play/pause.Also can’t do this on the Flash version on the Hanso site. Can’t believe the details these guys are going to to amuse people.)
Enjoy!
I know this is ancient history for the series, but it came to mind with the Locke/Hurley scenes this week: Hurley own’s Locke’s paper company, and is therefore, technically, his boss, right? So, it’s kind of funny that Locke is giving Hurley orders.
(In the Hurley episode season 1, the accountant mentions buying a box company. Locke works at a box company.)
And don’t read too much into using 8mm film vs. betamax due to the magnetic nature of the area. The cira early 70’s computer mainframes have big honking magnetic tape drives on them. I was trying to date the tech. in the cave, and it’s all over the map, but seems mostly early/mid 80’s. (Exercise bike, Apple IIe-esque computer, etc.) But, there must have been some resupply since then, because the bottle of liquid laundry detergent I think I saw on the washer in the season 2 opener looked a little too recent.
Found this at the beginning of the source code of the seating chat page od Oceanic-air.
>I would like to inform my financial >institutions that I will be late making my >September mortgage payment as I am STRANDED ON >A FRIGGIN’ ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE!
>Please have the Government send a search team >immediately. OR don’t. Shouldn’t all the >taxes I pay cover an expense like that?
–>
Also,
I cut and pasted the hidden message on the oceanic-air home page. I was trying to read the message as posted above. I by “accident” I pasted html. What do you know… a cool set of drawings from Micheal’s letters to Walt. And a diagram/map? of something. Mother Mouse Ears are getting tricky…
4 8 15 16 23 42 — 4 (8 15) 16 – Flight 815. Any significance here? Just a thought.
ok and what the heck is this
http://www.oceanicflight815.com/
seating chart page way to much info to absorb but def. woth the explore…
Did anyone notice that if you go to the driveshaft website(http://www.driveshaftband.com/driveSHAFTMusic2.htm) and look at the discography section under music at the top of the page, in the special thanks section it lists the names of several notorious Seinfeld characters?
dharma can mean life or death depending upon the religion. dharma & greg was also an abc show.
Help me with the seating chart please… Is there something wrong with my computer? I can only get the seat info for:
Locke
Charlie
The Marshall
Jack
Boone
Shannon
Rose
Kate
Ana Lucia
How do I get everyone else to appear? Also why does the F keep flashing at the bottom? And when you click on Kate, why does the flight number change to 777?
why does the pre-board check in give me the name ETHAN ROM with boxes underneath to make an anagram?
on the pre-board check in that i just mentioned, if you anagram it into the boxes as “other man” not only do the letters center themselves perfectly, you get a quick video clip that startled the heck outta me when it started.
What if this is some big experiment in itself. Not to much to study, but the writers wrote something, and are letting us take it the rest of the way. Maybe they have no idea what season three is going to be. They are just listening too all of our crazy crackpot theories and taking what they like? I mean, all of what you could be saying could be true. Its like writing a story with a group of friends, just one person writes a sentance and then each other person writes one. ALthough in this instance, some guys got together, used all the other shows that fans get rabid about as a basis and thought, lets get them started, and then take form thier ideas, and in the end maybe produce nothing but a never ending show that would go anywhere, and in theory never end or have any meaning.
doesn’t this remind you of The Lord Of The Flies?
Hi there, Paolo and the rest of the guys. Very nice thread you have here. I am from the Philippines and works as a web designer here is Makati City. The logo of the Dharma Initiative really looks like a Ba Gua although there seems to be a hidden code in the design of the lines used, a kind of morse-code. We have a Ba Gua at home too, so I’m also familiar with the shape.
Here’s my bit. I checked out the login at the URL: http://thedharmainitiative.org/ and opened the source for the login popup and saw at the top of the code that a javascript point to this location: http://thedharmainitiative.org/md5.js.
I also found out they are using a Javascript MD5 algorithm for the login password and the lines in their code goes like this:
function checkForm() {
var url=”login/?uid=” + escape(document.forms[0].elements['uid'].value) +
“&pwd=” + escape(document.forms[0].elements['pwd'].value)
var hash = hex_md5(document.forms[0].elements['uid'].value + document.forms[0].elements['pwd'].value);
if ((hash == “4ce8eb77952dcf34505de7e04fd68fc7″) || (hash == “732d9dda7f79c827c4453bda8f2d441a”)) {
window.opener.location.href=url;
window.close();
} else {
document.forms[0].elements['errorMessage'].value = “Invalid login”;
document.forms[0].elements['uid'].value = ”;
document.forms[0].elements['pwd'].value = ”;
document.forms[0].elements['uid'].focus();
}
return false;
}
Although I haven’t seen any of these MD5 hashes reversed-engineered, knowing that these hashes are there to access the login might help somehow in our quest for the username and password:
“4ce8eb77952dcf34505de7e04fd68fc7″ and “732d9dda7f79c827c4453bda8f2d441a” (from the script above).
Here is the website where the script was taken, including a demo of a script calculating the hash for any password using MD4, MD5, and SHA-1:
http://pajhome.org.uk/crypt/md5/
I haven’t read much yet on this type of authentication so I’m just guessing that maybe people who are interested in “decoding” the username and password for the login might be able to use this demo script for an easier search of the said username and password by trial and error and comparing the results to the hashes calculated. Maybe somebody out there can confirm or gun this crazy idea down. Thanks and nice show for all of us who appreciate a good puzzler.
P.S. I get my shows via torrent so I watch the latest episode every Thursday local time, several hours after some guy has shared it via torrent. People who don’t know the torrent sites and are interested may email me. No flames please, I don’t take criticism well.
How do I get everyone else to appear? Also why does the F keep flashing at the bottom? And when you click on Kate, why does the flight number change to 777?
When you click the “F” it lights up the last seat in row “F” of economy class. When you mouse over that seat you see a little box that says “Lucia, Ana. 42F. When you click that seat an animation starts that leads to a movie clip of the plane breaking up.
This entire Flash file is packed with little clips and insights.
One I can’t quite get is Mars, Edward. 27G. When this one is enabled and a Marshals office ID shoots up the screen really quickly with a standard ID style picture. If you capture a screen shot real quick it shows a different image. This one is red and he is either injured or sleeping.
There is another with an all access pass to ‘Drive Shaft’ the same band hugo and his buddy discussed in the record store on this weeks episode.
Here’s a clue about how I got seats to enable clips and such…
Click seats, in all sections A-I, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 & 42.
Then click on the highlighted seat and you’ll get maps, clips, ID’s & various images. It’s pretty wild. Some clips enable as a result of clicking a seat twice after it’s enabled and some seats only appear as a result of clicking an active seat. Just click around when in doubt. It’s already consumed an hour or so of my day!
In case you’re not sure what I’m refering to; it’s at http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm
Good show. How did the chocolate bars stay fresh this long?
Add up the numbers and they equal 108.
One other thing has been confusing me, and I don’t know if it’s an error yet or not. But when they first showed Desmond in the Bunker, after all the out-dated machinery, the 70’s decor, there was a 2004 model of clothes washer and dryer (front loader style) I know because I have a similar style. How the heck did that get down there?
And are they going to show it now so that Rose can do her laundry?
I want to get back to the deal with Walt. I like the idea that his mom worked in Amsterdam and thus they know about his “powers”. However, the only coincidental power I’ve noticed is the bird book and bird flying into the window. Brian tells Michael he’s special, but the polar bears and knife throwing don’t convince me that Walt had anything to do with those. It also doesn’t make any sense that the scientists need him to correct the projects mistakes. I mean, they didn’t need to crash a plane full of people they don’t need just to get to Walt. It’s more trouble for them to get him on that plane than just to abduct him from Sydney.
I forgot to mention earlier. 108 corresponds to the element Hassium which is man made in a lab. It’s highly radioactive and one of the heaviest elements on the periodic table. It’s half life is 2 milliseconds!
more fun w/ the seating chart. does anybody know why both kate’s and rose’s seats are highlighted in orange, instead of green like the rest? and can anyone decipher the hand-drawn map of the island that’s written in french (by Rousseau, perhaps)? I found it by clicking repeatedly on shannon’s seat after sayid’s passport appeared.
i saw the boy that plays walt on jimmy kimmel, i think, and he said in the wet scene that he said ‘don’t push the button’. the button being bad.
i wouldnt expect any real clues from the seating chart, I think its just a fun page to play with and see how many secrets we can uncover. and about that flashing f on the bottom of the page, i think its sole purpose is to get your attention cause after you click on it and watch the vid clip the flashing F dissapears.
another question ….. How did the plane get SO FAR off course to begin with? I mean 1000 miles is a long way….somebody (pilot, co-pilot, SOMEBODY) would have realized something after a few hours went by……
I think its pretty obvious that the dharma folks sent our group of survivors to that island (aka science lab) on purpose, maybe because everyone else on the island was dying off and they needed to replace their test subjects — all in an effort to see how far mankind would go in the name of self preservation.
ok—-did i miscount? i counted 361 seats on the seating chart, instead of the 352 seats that the chart says there are…….9 extra people on board? could somebody else please count and check my math ? ill be back…just have to run get my lotto ticket….hmmm..wonder what numbers ill use…..lol
sean, in the pilot episode, when jack, kate and charlie find the pilot of the jet still alive in the cockpit, he said something about some type of mechanical problem that forced them to turn around and (my memory is fuzzy here) either head back to Sydney or they diverted to someplace else. either way, they hadn’t yet radioed in their change of course when the plane started to go down, so no one knew they were off course. and then he tells them that they’re over 1000 miles off course and any help that was sent would be looking in the wrong place.
6 hours into the flight, their radio broke. They changed their course towards Fiji and, when they crashed, they were more than a thousand miles off their original course.
They were off-course on purpose, not accidentally.
hmmm … wonder if the radio broke b/c of electromagnetic interference from the island???
Login info:
the user/pass is md5 encoded. That pretty much means it is not breakable. Well, not with the computers we have. But, in source of http://www.dharmaindustries.com/, in one of the meta elements, you’ll find content=”dharma industries,dharma,DI 9fftr731,di9fftr731″. My guess is that some permutation of “di 9fftr731″ is the username, the password, or both. They were on the shelves
Or maybe one of the “flash ip login” numbers could be the username. list
Just some thoughts.
I don’t think so. That would mean they had enormous power and would be able to reach incredibly distant targets. It’s unlikely that a small, unknown island like that would have such a powerful energy source, and at the same time remain unnoticed.
OH MY GOD!! Did anyone get this. If you go to the Oceanic Airlines Page and you highlight just the letters sticking out on the side at the top where it says all flights cancelled then copy and paste in word it brings up Claire Littletons boarding pass
Did anyone noticed on the oceanic-air website… they used the “numbers” for the number of travellers…probably nothing
I did it again with the Highlight and now a differnt picture came up. It is a letter to walt from his dad. His dad says that his recovery is going well. The letter sits upon a few drawings. One is of a tug boat and the other looks like something mechanical
PS…You must Play with the size of the picture to be able to see everything. It shows more the mroe you play with it
Ok I’ve loaded reloaded and played with the page..you get just those 2 pictures. Was hoping for a third LOL
More fun with cut and paste…ok I decided to cut and paste just the little note wich said
I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents.
But when I opened it in word…the following was above it
they’re getting worse…Sally
Ok copied the entire thing and pasted and this is what sally wrote:
If anyone should find this message, please get word I’m alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they’re getting worse…Sally
ALSOOk copied the entire thing and pasted and this is what sally wrote:
If anyone should find this message, please get word I’m alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they’re getting worse…Sally
ALSOOk copied the entire thing and pasted and this is what sally wrote:
If anyone should find this message, please get word I’m alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they’re getting worse…Sally
ALSOOk copied the entire thing and pasted and this is what sally wrote:
If anyone should find this message, please get word I’m alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they’re getting worse…Sally
ALSO
I can’t believe I read thru this entire page.. omg.. eyes hurt. ANYWAY, I just stumbled across this website.. and wow.. i wish I were as committed to this as you guys are.. I love this show so much.. something I don’t think anyone noticed.. the Dharma symbol in the new bunker, was not a swan, IT WAS AN AN ARROW. Swan, arrow, all parts of constelations..
Good luck with the clue hunting.. your hard work really saves me a lot of time!
-Sooooz
Ihave read all the previously posted notes regarding LOST……I feel stupid to have not noticed some of these things. I was watching this TV show for fun, now it is homework. I went to the oceanic airlines website, & was trying to get to Claire’s boarding pass but what popped up was a quick search subwindow. It looks like a screen where you would reserve your own airline seats. HOWEVER>>>> it says Adults 4 seniors 8 youth 15 child 16 infant in lap 23 and infants in seats 43. WIERD. I did find when you check preboard check-in…green oval on lower right the words Ethan Rom are like scrabble tiles. Move them around into the empty boxes. When you spell out other man…you get a video clip. I think we are all obesessing over a pseudoweb-site. This is fun, but I guess it has nothing to do with the show, other than keeping us all talking and thinking about what is next. I will, however, keep reading and snooping.
Did anyone notice that on the seating chart, after you click on Jack Sheppard the second time, a message flashes at the bottom left of the screen? Where the words “Oceanic 777″ are, a web address flashes. The address is http://www.flight815.com. However, when I tried to access the page it was unavailable. Anyone else able to access this site or know anything about it?
Here’s a diagram of how the numbers relate:
http://thebiobuilder.com/Lost/
Or, maybe its http://www.oceanicflight815.com. It flashes by really fast. I am still unable to access Claire’s boarding pass or Walt’s letters. I am also unable to view the Orientation video clip. Anyone have any suggestions as to why the video clip will not play?
been to this site?? http://www.oceanic-air.com
some neat stats on this one
OK, I just read EVERYTHING here so far and it was a LOT To take in, but… To the guy who thinks this is some experiment on us and the writers are using our ideas. No. If it is proven that they used our ideas to write an episode, they’d be liable to copyright infringement. It’s similar to why movies and tv shows ALWAYS have a disclaimer at the end that says it was all fictional. And why people go to court all the time over stolen story ideas and scripts.
OK, next, on the seating chart, I clicked each number in order (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) shown as row numbers just under the seats. It brought up a video trailer for season two. Anyone else see this yet?
Haha Copywrite infringement that makes me laugh, as far as i know none of us have these theories under copywrite, and even so, we can copywrite a story, not an idea. So to further explain what i am saying were just spouting off ideas of what we think is gonna happen or what is? Why wouldnt a writer turn it into a story. Hell, you think everything in hollywood was an origional idea.
You sir or Mam, are a fool. My theory is no more ridiculous than all of the other ones on here. Mines just a bit more out of the box.
Hi guys, nice page. About the javascript code, there is no way to reverse engineer the MD5 hashes, but just from the code that gets executed if the input actually does translate to the two numbers listed in the source code, I see that a window is being open with a URL that is the concatenation of the usernam, and the password. I might be wrong, because I don’t know javascript, but I can see that the code creates a variable called “URL” and it uses the + operator to concatenate the inputs of the user, and then if the input is correct, it opens the URL.
So basically, i believe that the login/password is two parts of a URL, and when you get them write, it just opens that URL for you in a new window.
What are Walt and Michael’s last name? It may be part of a successful login on the Dharma site.
When you click on any seat on the seating chart, a box gets highlighted randomly and when you click on that seat box, wierd stuff pops up related to a specific character…pretty cool!
And Rose’s seat in 23D stays highlighted in orange….
Has anyone been to the Mr. Clucks website recently? This message is on the homepage:
Hey Cluck.. Thanks for letting us take over your site. We are done.. for now… But here is something to keep your customers busy.
A word jumble:
JACK WILL DI- — —- — — —–!
PSHISEOTINEOHCTNEA
Later!
I tried to make sense out of the word jumble, but the best I got was:
JACK WILL DIE TOE PAIN ON HIS CHEST!
Doesn’t make much sense at all, does it?
It actually spells “JACK WILL DIP HIS TOES IN THE OCEAN” another mis-leader…..
Heheh, and a good one at that! :P
http://www.dharmaindustries.com/
http://www.dharmainitative.org/
different sites.. different objectives?
The guy in the bunker, take a substance to injection.
The label in the injection has the next text:
“CR- 4-81516-23 42
For Injection
****** Multile Dose V***
RX-1″
The numbers again
I made a mistake, I forget “P”:
****** Multiple Dose V***
I was takin a look at Mr Clucks homepage and at the right bottom corner of the website there is a link that takes you to what is supposed to be the designers (or something) favourite links…. the last one takes to http://bigspaceship1.com/ and the title of the page is in morse code… once you cifer it you get another morse code, and then you get ANOTHER one! which finally shows you only one word: THINK… besides, the page has this really weird drawing… any thoughts on this??????
That site used to have the flash animation of the two polar bears and the “CHOCOLATE ASCLEPIUS” morse code. Looks like it was recently updated with another flash and morse code message.
Sulepa:
Ethan Rom is an anagram of ‘other man’… perhaps a reference to him being one of the ‘others’
In Hurleys dream, when he is gorging on the food and meets Jin, he is drinking from a carton of milk. There is a “missing” announcement on the side of the carton, and the missing person is Walt.
Doesn’t mean anything, but it’s interesting nonetheless.
I also found out about the flight number changing to 777 on the oceanic site, when kates seat is selected.
on the cryptic http://www.oceanicflight815.com/ site, yo can find information in the faq that tells you the type of plane was a 777 Jumbo Jet.
The flight boarded on gate 23… one of the numbers
Another one… if you listen to the audio of the episode in which boone is on the drug plane, it sounds as though the response is from someone claiming to be a survivor of the 815 flight… maybe the tail section
Okay i just read through all of this an dit is awesome and i would like to say one thing. we all have to be working on how to crack the dharmainitiative.org username and password! who know what could be behind all of it! WE WILL DO IT!!!!
WOW, it just boggles my mind how the producers could’ve put this much detail into the show and the little things on the net. Just finished reading through all the posts…and I’m kind of tired. I was wondering if Calvin/Kalvin (spelling???)had anything to do with the Dharma Initiative…seeing as he was the one who showed Desmond the numbers and everything. Maybe you could use his name on the login. Or there were people on the boats that were said to be in the orientation video, perhaps their names could be used on the login for Dharma.
23 is also the number of people they said survived in the tail section. How many people were orginally on the beach 43?
A little more about Dharma & the numbers…
Dharma is a symbol used on three major hindi religions: Buddhism, Hunduism and Jainism.
It means Life-Death-Rebirth.
In this religions, number 108 is very significant.
There are 108 “Mantras” (peace affirmations)
In Zen, the warrior is supossed to take 108 steps before redention.
The 108 “dharmas” are 36 from Past, 36 from present and 36 from future.
There are 108 days in a solar cycle. A solar cycle means the sun turns over itself 4 times exactly.
As you obviously remember, Jack see a 108 painted on a sun. This is specially relevant because a cycle causes important magnetic field disorder, and the swan station is suposed to study mgnetic disturbances.
Has anybody counted how many gnomes there was in “Cluck You”? Something is telling me that i should. The camera seemed to have spent a lot of time on that message. Also look at the address of Hurly’s boss, see if that has something to do with anything.
Hmm… i was just checking out http://www.bigspaceship1.com/. Theres a song plaing in the background that sounds like “Stairway to Heaven” but with different lyrics. Can someone write down the lyrics?
In the episode where Jin goes to the house of the guy that gave him the dog, the little girl is watching TV and if you look at the screen it’s Hurley being chased? by reporters and getting into a car. Also Hurley said there was enough food for 1 man to have 3 meals a day for 3 months, 3meals x 90days equals 270. Half of the 540 days that “you and your partner” will be responsible for pushing the button. If Desmond has been there for 2 years, where does the food supply come from? His stores should have been depleted while he and his counterpart were there together, yet the store room looked remarkably full to only have enough food for 1 man for 3 mos.
I can’t figure out http://www.bigspaceship1.com
What do you do there? every time I go to it.. it’s different. The first tiem I went it had 64 squirrell heads (8 rows of 8) next it had a black screen that sounded like a heart beating or a drum…. then I refreshed while in that screen and a picture of a polar bear came up with some real funny background noise..
Yes, bigspaceship1 is strange indeed. Theres something written in the lower left part of the bunnys face. I’ve tried but cant figure out which filter i should use in photoshop to make the text readable.
http://www.bigspaceship1.com seems to change a lot… last time i went online there was a polar bear and the morse code read “suculae” which means Hiadas in latin… Hiadas are a part of greek mythology, they’re also some stars in the Taurus constellation and they’re said to be responsible for rains and stuff… don’t have a clue with what that has to do with Lost…
Check out http://www.mrclucks.com
It has been updated… There is something that flashes really fast.. I did about 20 screen captures before I got it, but behind the Chickens picture is something that looks like a word find with “the numbers” in it… It also has Hurley, Jack, Jin, Hanso in it.. the other box on the screen changes to ” Don’t push the button, the button is bad”
I don’t know if anyone else has checked this out and I know it’s old news but I watched the third episode (first episode after the 2 pilot shows) and there “is” a Dharma logo on the side of the plane behind Walt. He’s standing on the wing and it’s right after Charlie writes late on those finger things. It’s to the right of the screen little over 41 min in.
Go to http://www.mrclucks.com and go to the bottom of the page click on the A+ and the paragraph symbol for some links to come up. One of the links says Dharma and Greg Rulz and takes you to the Dharma Initiative website.
On http://bigspaceship1.com/ they currently have an image of a polar bear. In the background they have noise that sounds like you’re in a room with generators running or something. Very quietly in the background there is a whispering voice. I’ll try to capture it and filter it but it’s probably not going to happen since it’s in a flash file.
Anyone with time, patience and good headphones might be able to pick it up though.
Sorry for the double post but I just thought of something and, sadly, since I’m at work I can’t test it now but I intend to later.
One of you however may be able to test it after reading this.
MAYBE the “Numbers” can be used as an IP address.
It could be:
4.8.15.16:2342
4.8.15.1:62342
or any combination like:
48.151.162.34:2108
You probably get the idea by now. It’s worth a try if any of you have time.
Well, I don’t what you guys might make of this but if you go to google maps and put the numbers in, the location is right beside a small island between Australia and L.A. But with the whole magnetic it could be actually right on the island.
So: http://maps.google.ca/ and then put in 4.815 162.342 for the location you want to find. I thought it was kind of interesting.
4.815162.342 in maps.google.ca gives me a location just off the coast of Nigeria! Wasn’t that where the heroin smugglers came from? Now that’s pretty close to the equator and 0 degrees longitude. And the middle of the Pacific is in an antipodean position! Perhaps items are being “snatched” from one location to the other by some “magnetic” experiment?? Black Rock not washed ashore by a tsunami? Plane from Nigeria suddenly finds itself on the other side of the world? But Oceanic 815 couldn’t squeeze through the wormhole so broke apart and crashed?
4.8151 N 6.2342 E is in Nigeria and 4.8151 S 173.7658 W is just offshore the most south westerly island in the Kiribati group. I wonder which numbers are stamped on the hatch in Nigeria?
No, you did it wrong. It’s 4.815(space bar)162.342 and it’s right in the middle of the ocean, next to an island.
http://bigspaceship1.com/
The morse code translates into the following LATIN phrase.
“In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.”
(“We turn in a circle in the night and are consumed by the fire.”)
“In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.”
This is a palindrome.
Just guessing here, but how long does a man-made satellite take to revolve around the Earth?
Is it usually over an hour and a half, or 108 minutes?
When you research “In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni” Guy Debord pops up everywhere/// any connection?
Just so you all know, the MD5 Hash is a combination of the login, AND the password, so straight dictionary rainbow tables wont work.
You’ll need to append the password to the userID.
Also notice that the terminology is UID, not username, but ID… so it’s probably a number anyway.
Ok New info I learned about on http://www.oceanicflight815.com/
I did a quick “Find” on this board and saw no notation of this so I apologize if this is reposting information…
on http://www.oceanicflight815.com/ click on the barcode at the bottom of the screen. This gives you a text box. Enter in the words, just as written here, ‘theislandiswaiting’ (minus the single quotes).
This gives you one page of an upcoming script.
The one up there now is pretty wild!
Let’s just say Walt is in it; or is he?
When you go to the webpage http://www.oceanicflight815.com as many have found already, there is another little secret. Click on the ray of light and you will be directed to the Hanso foundation. Click on active projects. You cannot access any of the projects listed :( but if you run your mouse under the last project listed, The Dharma initiative will appear. I have been unable to open yet.
all it opens is the little video Jack and Locke watch
good job on the island is waiting thing////cool stuff… this lost show is getting out of control@!
o.k, the others are bloodthirsty zombies?!!! so the lord of the flies/twilight zone/island of dr. moreau unholy triumverate is now complete! this show’s getting more radical by the week! i love reading the producer’s notes on the script page. wonder if those are real or decoys? can’t wait to see what’s next!
I noticed that the words flashing behind the chicken on Mr. Cluck’s site today were a little different than they were on Oct. 13 when “Cough” posted the image link on this board.
Patrick
Yes, those coordinates do come up with a possible location. Its better looking at it on the ‘google earth’ program which you can download for free. however it appears to be charted.
As far as I can tell, it’s the island of Kosrea you are refering to. This region of islands is called micronesia and there are many islands in this region it could plausibly be. Unfortunately, none of them are under the exact co-ordinates you refer to.
Double post here sorry. Its just a thought that there are enough small islands in that region that there could realisticly be a seperate island for all 6 stations, however, considering what we already know this is highly unlikely.
two comments about above posts…
One – Just because the name “javier grillo marxuach” is stamped on the script that you find on the oceanicflight815.com sight (when you type in theislandiswaiting), it doesn’t mean this is a real story line the show will follow. It could be one idea they were running with and have scrapped. But who knows, with the life, death, rebirth stuff that keeps popping up, the zombie thing makes sense. But, why walt specifically?!? Why did they need HIM and not all the people on the raft?!? Zombies are not picky…
Thought two – Regarding the post “Also Hurley said there was enough food for 1 man to have 3 meals a day for 3 months, 3meals x 90days equals 270. Half of the 540 days that “you and your partner” will be responsible for pushing the button. If Desmond has been there for 2 years, where does the food supply come from? His stores should have been depleted while he and his counterpart were there together, yet the store room looked remarkably full to only have enough food for 1 man for 3 mos.”…
Maybe he didn’t estimate the food right because he eats a lot more than average. After all, the guy got in trouble for eating a whole bucket of chicken, 8 or 9 pieces. I agree though. That food was STOCKED, so there would’ve been enough to feed 40 people for more than 3 months…
But I did see food in there that would’ve never lasted more than about 6 months or a year. And with ALL the details that go on in this show, why would they do something as stupid as that? Like a bag of potato chips that would taste HORRIBLE after 2 years?!? And why would you put a HUGE gallon jar of mustard in there for two people?!? If they open it, it will go bad quicker. Those gallon jars feed huge groups of people ina short period of time, not two people over a long period of time. They would’ve stocked them with sevreal small jars to open one after the next.
Anyway, the whole food thing was either… a.) not thought out very well by the lost prop dept. or b.) going to reveal something else in the future about frequent restocking, or more people that work at that station. And think about ALL that medicine too. Way more than two people needed!!!
sorry, didn’t put name in last post. So any thoughts on the food post or the zombie script?!?
next, the jedi acronym has been mentioned a few times and here are my thoughts…
“Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute”? Notice the acronym?” JEDI
regarding the acronym jedi… look up the meaning of the word eugenics and it explains the creation of an “unequal” man or race. Like what hitler was doing. I don’t think this is a nazi thing in any way, but the dharma video does talk about extending life, right? Maybe this is the “better man” they were trying to create? And the shark, can sharks regenerate body parts or do they have super healing? Bears have hibernation, and that can extend life in a way I suppose… In any case, I think the jedi acronym is more than just a star wars nod.
So break down the title: Juxtaposition means: the act or an instance of placing two or more things side by side; also : the state of being so placed
Eugenics is defined on a website as: Eugenics is dedicated to the proposition that all men are created unequal and the food is running short; that, in the struggle for food, those who have an inherited advantage prevail and pass the advantage on to their children who prevail even more; that this is how evolution, Yale and the English aristocracy happened.
Development and Institute are self-explained…
So maybe they wer combining these animals with man to make a better human and it went wrong…
Maybe not pushing the button alerts the Dharma Initiative that their test subjects are dead or missing, and time to send new lab rats?
Kind of the K.I.S.S. principle.
Maybe not pushing the button causes everything to stop, the generators in the bunkers, the electro-magnetic radiation, the nanomachines that form the black smoke (aka the security system) etc. etc. So the button keeps all theese “bad” things active. To quote Walt: “Dont push the button, the button is bad”.
Maybe walt really said, “Don’t. Push the button! The button is BAD” as in micheal jackson’s bad meaning good?!? Sorry to break the thread with a stupid joke…
OMG!!!! taking about lost and you know hurley won the lotto with his numbers… The tx lotto is now estimated to be $108 minutes, the same number of minutes to push the button. Maybe I’ll play the secret numbers like a million other lost watchers and win small portion of the winnings!!!
Two words…
Bermuda Triangle.
One can only imagine the additional information that will be posted after tonights episode. Looks like no sleep fpr me tonight. I love all of you sick people.
One of the Producers said that Walt said “Push the button, the button is bad.”…I know it doesn’t make sence but that’s just what I heard. As for the death in the show…Aint it cool News said who dies, so you could check it out there(Just incase somebody doesn’t want it spoiled)but what I wanted to know was who does the killing cause http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php said that A female series regular will die at the hands of another female series regular…which would make it interesting.
I have a theory………… oh wait the show is fixin’ to start. Let me get back with you…………………………..
check it out
http://oceanic-air.com/inflightmagazine.htm
go to they oceanic-air.com website…check inflight magazine…and you’ll see this message.
Click here every week to test your knowledge. If you answer correctly, you will be added to a special email list to receive communications directly from the LOST writing team. The Island, characters, mythology, symbology‚Ķyou think you have what it takes? Take a chance. The Island is Waiting…
Click on the text above and you’ll get a pop up quiz from our beloved Lost writers/producers…
this is exhausting…but i love it! so hard to decide if the following website is a hoax/fan-site, but check this one out! It’s of Charlie’s band–and there is pictures of charlie filming his video “making the video”…as well as a tribute page to him…etc.etc. etc.
http://www.driveshaftband.com/flight815_5.htm
what do y’all think?
also just finished watching tonight’s episode…Michelle Rodriguez bugs.
i get goose bumps just talking about the show oooooh my god what a show
I have to agree w/ Nicole….Michelle Rodriguez really gets on my nerves and I can’t wait for Sawyer to kick her ass and leave her for the others.
I guess it is just a conceit by the writers that the kid’s name is Walt. ;>)
Oh man, I never thought of that. lmao…..
So i was just looking at imdb.com when i saw the cast for ep 6. One of the guest stars play Greg DeGroot. Perhaps this name can be used for the login at http://thedharmainitiative.org/
ethan rom
other man
Type it in it works….
re: Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute
I think its probably just a hint that there may be an experiment based on the principle of placing two or more specimens in a place and monitoring their progress to confirm a Eugenics theory or possibly create a change in said specimens to create something.
Thinking that survivors will be extremely strong both physically and mentally, possibly advanced in the use of manipulation and capable of extreme ruthlessness ..
my best guesses: black ops mercs, intelligence operatives or traffic wardens.
Quote:
ethan rom
other man
Type it in it works….
end quote.
Here’s something that might help you in the future…
hold down your Ctrl button and hit the letter F.
Type in words like, in this case, Ethan Rom, to see if it’s been posted already.
I understand we’re all just fans of the show and want to share anything we might find so don’t think I’m talking down to you. Just trying to help.
Is there an actual site for MR CLUCKYS CHICKEN SHACK? I’ve seen people reference the site but I’ve never been able to find the actual site.
I tried typing in the ethan rom / other man combination for the Dharma Initiative site. It’s states that it’s an invalid login. Any other thoughts??
Ya, I’m having the same problem.
Uhm, I’d just like to know if anyone was as disapointed with last night’s episode as I was?? I’m so sick of Michael whining about “my son” when every freakin’ person on the island and off knows his name is Walt. And the scene with him screaming at the big waterfall…it was almost laughable. I’ve seen better acting on daytime TV. The creators of the show obviously know we’re all ready to bite on anything new so why are we waiting three weeks AFTER seeing an hour (actually, after the 45 mintues of commercials we see 15 mintues) of a totally boring show that gave us nothing. So, the legs of the “Others” were dirty and shoe-less and the teddy-bear probably belonged to Danielle’s son, but so what???? And why show us Jin’s short-lived job at the Hotel? I would have rather seen a good rerun then a crappy new episode.
k,
i think you may have missed a point or two last night. while i agree it was overall a pretty week episode, especially after the whiz-bang stuff in the two previous eps., i thought the backstory stuff re: Sun & Jin was done really well. the whole arranged date w/ Sun and the Seoul hotel heir was poignant and, I think, accurate for that culture. i really felt her pain and devastation in that last date scene. and to juxtapose that plot point w/ jin’s attempt to fit in w/ the hotel establishment, perfectly personified by his a*hole racist boss, was genuine as well. up until last night, i never really understood how those two, who are from completely different social and economic backgrounds, ended up together. also, there were two things of note in the scene showing the others walking by: 1) did you notice how their footsteps left no marks or indentations in the vegetation? (as Echo said earlier, they leave no footprints) and 2) the one carrying the teddy bear looked like he could have been Walt. if you taped it, or have Tivo, play it back and check it out again. i think that’s what we’re supposed to take from that scene. or, you may be right, it could have been Danielle’s kid as well. not a fabulous episode for sure, but way better than any crappy rerun (or any episode of Invasion or Supernatural!). one last note, the three week hiatus is due to the World Series airing on Fox beginning this Saturday. every network will do the same thing and air reruns for the next three weeks until baseball is over. personally, i can’t wait for the next epi.!
Jo,
I suppose I’m just an action freak and like the edge-of-your-seat episodes. But, yes, you’re right. If we hadn’t learned how Sun and Jin met, there would be a hole and any hole left in Lost creates enormous threads like this one with people going in all sorts of crazy directions to grab something to fill the hole. I’d completely forgotten about the World Series so that makes sense. And true, Invasion sucks. Thanks for your comments.
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