Some spoilers may follow, but first, a look at my stats for the month so far:
See those spikes in my hits? Those are from people searching for “Dharma Initiative” and “Hanso Foundation” while those entries were at or near the top of popular search engine listings. They’ve dropped off the first page of results now, but still, I’ve garnered 218 comments from Lost fans so far, and it’s still going. (Of course, a good number of these comments are just inattentive viral-marketing-susceptible fans leaving yet another repost of “OMG OCEANIC-AIR.COM HAS A SEATING CHART FULL OF CLICKABLE SPOILERS AND THE PASSWORD TO THE ZOMBIE SCRIPT PAGE IN OCEANFLIGHT815.COM IS THEISLANDISWAITING AND I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE COORDINATES AND HAVE YOU SEEN MRCLUCKS AND BIGSPACESHIP1 I LOVE LOST SO MUCH!!!1!!11″)
Anyway, I’m revising my theory on the black smoke monster, after looking over one of the official viral sites, BigSpaceship1.com. (The Morse code in the title bar, according to MostlyMuppet, says “Sometimes a polar bear is just a polar bear,” and later on, says “In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni.”) If you go there with a “wwww” prefix, you’ll find a single word, “Smartdust,” also mirrored at Smartdust.com. (Update: Well, not anymore; the wwww now goes to an iPod news site. DNS issues, I guess.) This leads me to think that the black smoke monster is not an alien, but a nanobot cloud, which is in keeping with the mysterious sci-tech background provided to the island by the Dharma subplot. But then, this is based on a single unadorned compound word posted to a typo-based subdomain which no longer works.
It’s also been pointed out that the B.F. Skinner reference in “Orientation” might imply that the whole “Numbers Game” played by Desmond and now by the Lost survivors is an elaborate behavioral experiment; but that still doesn’t explain the strange chance-altering effect the numbers have on people’s lives, or what electromagnetic forces are at work at Dharma Station 3. Also, Dr. Marvin Candle seems to have a prosthetic left arm, which explains his one-handed “Namaste.”
And Kate loves Sawyer now. Jack’s going to be crushed. CRUSHED.
“Lost” viral sites roundup. Watch for the easter eggs:
- Oceanic Air
- Oceanic Flight 815
- The Hanso Foundation
- BigSpaceship1.com
- BigSpaceship1.org (Redacted, heh.)
- Mister Clucks
- Driveshaft Band (Update: Turns out it’s not official, just some very involved fans.)
- The Dharma Initiative (Don’t know if it’s actually official, but it comes with a mysterious URL-via-MD5-hash-based login to tickle your fancy. Mostly Muppet has more on the Dharma login conundrum.)
Update: I closed the old comments threads, as the whole page was getting longer than I was comfortable with on a weblog. Those who enjoyed the discussion can still continue on this page. And don’t forget to check out DCeiver’s latest Pompatus of Lost episode recap.
Update 2: Now the officialness of a lot of the viral sites is doubtful, given commenter Kerri’s info that they’re registered to an “Anna” who claims not to be connected to ABC, and is conducting some kind of “media experiment.” Ah well, maybe I’ll just stop hunting for new virals and just sit back to enjoy the show at its own pace. It is just TV after all.
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I found this on MostlyMuppet and thought it was interesting. It’s a collage of photos giving the notion that the people on the boat are the DeGroots. Here it is.
Really interesting, Kerri! That, plus the IMDB entry for Thomas Gibson as “Greg De Groot” (scroll down to “Notable TV Guest Appearances) is a fairly evident sign that the De Groots are going to figure in this a lot more. (On the other hand, he might just be appearing on another scratched-up Dharma Feature Film with One Hand Marvin.)
BTW, I removed your extra “target=” link because it doesn’t validate properly in XHTML 1.1. Current-window links are just fine.
I repeatedly get three of the four groups of numbers under the DI logo to go green and I’m starting to think it’s not possible to get them all green. !!!!!!!!! Does anyone have any ideas???
Isn’t the DriveShaft site just another fan site?
(sigh)…….yes Noelle…………
Is Driveshaftband.com just a fan site? Can’t tell from the anonymized whois info, but the site content is pretty extensive!
Ya, the driveshaft site looks fake to me. As for the numbers going green I can only get 3 as well. BUt could anyone add more info on how to log in with the User name and Password on the http://www.dharmainitiative.org site? As for the show on Wed night…I think that the person carrying the stuffed bear was Desmond (either him or Alex). Cause I think I remember him grabbing a stuffed animal from the bed as well, Walt’s feet aren’t white so I don’t know…what do you think?
hmmm brian and kerri, i noticed something on the previous page about Walts name being “walt”…..but i must be really slow today, what did you mean? was that just a reference to Disney or what?
yeah Sean, I got it as a Disney ref which is what made me laugh about it. Actually, they could’ve just named him “My Son” since that’s all Michael calls him (which is a bit annoying). As far as Driveshaft goes, the band isn’t real so I can only assume the site isn’t real. I don’t care for the songs either but I’m a die-hard Disturbed fan. However, I guess Driveshaft (as it’s portrayed for Lost) could get going and cut CD’s, tour, blah blah blah and every corporate mogul involved with Lost would be richer…so it could happen.
Oh, another thing, Walt couldn’t have been walking w/ that group of shoe-less misfits because he’s not white and I saw white(very dirty)legs and feet. I can’t remember if Desmond took a stuffed animal but since you mentioned that I have to research it now until I know for sure…..Gee, thanks a lot Patrick! :)
I just watched Orientation and Desmond DID take a bear off his bed…but since we didn’t see his face we can’t be sure. I did check and see if he was wearing shoes and he was, but he could’ve just as easily taken them off. It would make sence for Desmond to come back since last time he said “see you in another life” he showed up on the island and he said it a second time so he’ll probably show up with the others.
Does anybody think that Dr.Marvin Candle’s prosthetic arm could have something to do with the shark?
Does anybody think Dr. Marvin Candle was on the boat as the bearded guy.
At the asylum where the guy that hurly got the numbers from, did anybody notice that the doctor looks like Dr. Candle. Candle could be a false identity.
Could the bearded guy be Kelvin or Dr. DeGroot because in the orientation film he has one, also he is married. Could she be the woman on the boat.
This is from another site.
Actor M.C. Gainey played the bearded man who took Walt on the boat.
M.C. Gainey is also credited in the 5th episode into the 2nd season as “Kelvin”.
Kelvin is the guy who taught Desmond to push the button, then (supposedly) died, leaving Desmond all alone.
If he died then, where is his grave?
Now it makes sense about the coordinates. The coast of Nigeria and the island in the Kirbati group.
Did anybody notice that Randy is not only Hugo’s boss, but Locke’s?
A theory why the second Dharma lab site is empty. The others emptied it to possibly a bigger lab site. However, why don’t they attack the survivors if they might guess that they are there.
ok—remind me again please…where did we see a guy with a prosthetic arm at?
ok—remind me again please…where did we see a guy with a prosthetic arm at?
Hey all – I’m new here, but ive been reading all the posts….about the driveshaft website…on the “news and updates” section – they talk about it being a “year” since Charlie’s death – they’re obviously going by the time the show has been on the air – not the timeline on the show…cause as of the end of the first season, they had only been there a matter of weeks – and season 2 picks up right where 1 left off…so in reality, its only been a few weeks. just another point to add to the evidence that driveshaftmusic.com or whatever is not from Disney.
hey gang—now i know i am obsessed (and bordering on Star Trek-geekdom). it’s one am in NY and i’m online looking for further clues for this god—- show and all the viral crap. Argh!
Couple things: what the heck are people talking about with…ethan nom/other man nothing clicks on the dharmainitiative login; Thomas Gibson as Greg…Dang Disney! can’t you keep it in your pants—you have to use Greg from “dharma and greg” as greg in another ABC show that refers to Dharma! oy vey. And, Kerri, how do you even get the login access to show three green on the login page? I can’t even get one…sistah, spare a dime!
And lastly, totally non-sequitor, saw Kiss Kiss bang bang tonight. pretty funnny movie with a lot of “inside” references to Hollywood…just thought I’d share since I loved the movie and figure like minds think alike–go see it.
To get the numbers to go green you have to hover the mouse over the screen at certain points within a certain time or it’ll go red. The mostly muppet site from above has a picture of where to put the mouse. I still don’t know what the login name and password is. If anyone could help that would be great (I’m hearing a whole bunch of different things and I just need an answer). Thanks…
Well someone (It’s getting hard to keep up with all the forums I read) said that the Dharma site w/ the User Name and Password requirement is a hoax cuz it’s registered to someone in Arizona and the source code reads something like text=invalid so that anything you type in won’t let you in. If anyone else read that, tell me where. Also, on the OTHER Dharma site where the IP address is flashing, I didn’t use the hotspot approach on the diagrams I’ve seen. I found three definitive hotspots but the order in which I hovered the mouse on them made a difference as to whether or not the numbers turned green and the order seemed to change so I got pissed and just started moving my mouse frantically all over the logo from top to bottom and “voila”…all three numbers went green each time and it happened every time I did that. So good luck. Aren’t there genious hackers out there who can break these mysteries?? As for the teddy bear, it could be that Desmond was taken by the Others and one of them took a fancy to his bear so it isn’t Desmond at all. But I have no doubt that he’s alive and will return. And Kelvin, we have no idea if he really died, Desmond just knows he didn’t come back. And the shark, on that episode I was so freaked out that Sawyer would be eaten that I never saw a logo. But I think every creature, explainable or otherwise is controlled by the island or the Initiative. Nothing is an accident apparently, except for Ana-Lucia being a real bother. She’d better chill or Sawyer’s gonna have her ass. I don’t see Kate taking a liking to her either, but Kate has yet to prove her worth in my opinion.
I need someone else to read this. This just might be the answer. Paulo, what do you think??
http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3012
(Today is my free day so I may post all day) :)
SERIOUSLY! Check out the site mentioned above. This is the best theory I have read so far about Lost. Everybody should look at this. At first it sounds farfetched, but when you think about it, it begins to make sense. Excellent site. Someone has been doing their homework. There is some errors, but they are corrected by later posts. To me this is the best answer to Lost I have seen yet:) !!!!!
They think the show is set around the year 2012. There are pics that Micheal did for Walt dated 2003. which they assume is for his 3rd birthday. They are forgetting one important thing. Sawyer and Jack’s dad were in the bar before Sawyer was about to go on the plane. “That is why the Red Sox will never win the World Series.” Obviously, the Red Sox won the series in 2004, if it was set in 2012, that old saying would be obsolete. That right there shoots a serious hole through the theory.
I nearly forgot. When you are on that site i mentioned above, it talks about the end of the world and how it ties with atlantis. What they say is on the web. Go onto google and type in December 23, (one of the numbers!) 2012. You will get all sort of stuff about how the world is supposed to end. Also on the site it said that according to Lindeloff, that the number 23 will play a significant role throughout the show. Already we have seen it as the amount of Kate’s reward for capture, and as the number of the tail end of the plane survivors before they were dwindled down to a few. Just interesting and you should read about it.
The date December 23, 2012. If the Dharma initative was started in 1970. It was to be run to the end of the world. If it is set in 2012, it would have been 42 years. Just some more math for thought.
And finally, has anyone considered the old Mayan math of dots and bars approach to the dharma symbol? Just putting down whatever comes to mind.
Have a cluckity cluck cluck day!
Dearest Jayhawk…..you just made my cluckity day!! While I was driving today I started thinking about the Red Sox and since I’m not a baseball fan I wanted to find out when they last won the world series but I got side-tracked. Now I don’t have to! But Jakc’s Dad didn’t say they NEVER won. Maybe if we look at the context of his saying it’d put it in better perspective. And the Lost creators never said the plane went down in 2004, it’s directly quoted on several spoiler sites! I’m getting ready to do some Dec. 23, 2012 research myself. I’m tellin’ ya….this as got to be one of the most intelligently written tv shows ever. Oh, and has anyone been to Bigspaceship1.com today? Very weird. Oh, one more thing…I have a serious issue w/ the 23 people who survived from the back of the plane. NO WAY could a human survice that fall. On land they’d bounce and water would break them apart like glass.
ok, just read all four pages of Pubs http://www.4815162342 website. Very good Atlantis theory. Im going with this one until new info is obtained. On a side note, does anyone watch Stargate Atlantis? They use a ZPM to power the island, thats Zero Point Module, a devise that harnesses tremendoes power. Just mentioning the whole zero point connection. Very cool stuff indeed !!
Regarding the mrclucks.com site, I’m convinced now that it’s a hoax. On the site, at the bottom where it usually reads, “Website by 4815 Designs”….it flashes the text, “Website by not by ABC……by someone who knowz”. (the typo is in there, that wasn’t me). Anyway, if you click it, you go to the ipod page that has been there but there’s a button underneath…”Seacrest Out”. So I click it and it takes me to another site, a blog type site and if you notice, there’s an article about Ryan Seacrest. The article is by Anna and if you click her name…here’s what you get….
“Anna is a former television producer and radio news director who lowered her standards to join her husband in a crazy internet experiment.”
The website that kerri gave us has been updated. I didn’t notice that Desmond had a Dharma symbol on his shirt when he was in the flashback with Jack. Desmond’s “I’ll see you in another life” could be a reference to Dharma’s ‘extended life experiment’or to time travel. I am now starting to doubt whether or not Desmond has been honest with the survivors. Him living in that hatch for all those years… I think he may have run off to find the others who are also a part of the Dharma experiment to notify them of the survivors now at the hatch.
I defintely like how the theory explains the submarine like hatch cover, and the Black Rock. IF the ship sunk, it would explain the skeletons still attached in chains, because if they drowned, they wouldn’t have gone anywhere would they? :)
In my earlier post about the Red Sox, can somebody look back and get the actual quote. I was only recalling that quote from memory.
“Illuminati Trilogy” by Robert Anton Wilson is about Atlantis being a traveling island. I am currently looking for it on amazon to buy. I think this book will be a key part to unraveling Lost.
jay,
Jack says to Sawyer: “That’s why the Red Sox will never win the Series.”
That’s verbatim from Lost Clip #17, as shown on the oceanicflight815.com website, if you want to check it yourself.
i’ve been trying to find the earlier clip w/ Sawyer and Jack’s dad in the bar to see if it’s an identical quote, but i haven’t been able to locate it yet.
hey,
anyone checked out bigspaceship1.org lately? there are three doctor’s names on the top left corner. the first one is Dr. Sharon Alva, an obvious anagram for Alvar Hanso. the second name is Dr. Marvin Candle, and the third is a Dr. Orin Selenicci. any guesses as to what anagrams might work for both of these?
There has been NO speculation as to the actual quote from Jack’s father. The CONTEXT in which the quote was used (that means sentences spoken before the quote)is what may us put together a more acurate time line. Please pay attention.
Gee? I just totally got snippy! Sorry Jo! Anyway, bigspaceship is now a collection of waving almonds with a green background. I’m afraid to stare at it too long. I may go “nuts”…..(sorry, couldn’t resist) :)
thx for throwin’ me under the bus, k. i fully understand the meaning of “context” (and i have been paying attention, just not as busy posting lately). also, i was just tryin’ to help jay out w/ his request for the “actual quote.”
Thanks jomama for the quote. Now like kerri said, we need to figure out the context in which it was spoken. That would be beneficial to figuring out a timeline.
I looked at bigspaceship and I have to agree with going ‘nuts’. Did you notice that they have black and white half rings around it? Would that have to do with a theme of lost?
JO, I’m soooooo sorry. Consider yourself now pulled out from under the bus. I promise I’ll behave from now on. Ok, ya’ll need to watch this. It’ll lighten the mood for a few minutes. My husband and I just sat here laughing our asses off. Click the Lost movie.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/272811
My God there were a crapload of anagrams for the names Marvin Candle and Orin Selenicci. One that stood out for Marvin Candle was “mean dr calvin”.
Jay, on my computer the rings on the almonds are brown and white. But you can right click and save the picture as a gif so I’ve been trying to “see” another picture in there, like those Mind’s Eye books.
kerri, I saved the picture as jpg. You’re right. It is brown in white. I just wasn’t looking close enough. There goes the black and white theory. Do you think they have nut trees on the island? :) I am going to watch your movie here real soon. I have dial up so it is kind of slow.
Do you notice it only moves when your eyes move. Just stop your eyes and stare it doesn’t move then. I counted it already and its 12 X 18 = 216 I haven’t figured a connection yet to the ‘numbers’.
I just realized it. 216 divided by 2 is 108! I saw it as i just posted it. What does 2 have to do with it? I don’t know yet but there you go. 108! Twice as nuts to put the numbers in! :)
Hey Jay, did you read what I wrote about the mrclucks.com earlier? Well, I did some more research on “Anna”, the woman who used to be a tv producer and is now doing a “crazy internet experiment with her husband”. She may be behind mrclucks and bigspaceship. I don’t know how to see how a site is registered to? Can anyone tell me how to do that? Well, my husband and I (all he did was watch the show w/ me until I started telling him about all this stuff and now he’s a die-hard) tracked mrclucks to redbunny.com Click on Anna Johns. AND, if you source code mrclucks you see this:
http://track.mybloglog.com/js/jsserv.php?mblID=2005100718081844
That’s a tracking code site so whoever made mrclucks will know who goes to the site and then where they go when they leave. Sounds like an “internet experiment” to me.
Also, could the lines around the Dharma logo be morse code since they’re all different? My husband is in the other room getting letters for each line/slash around the logo. Wonder what he’ll come up with.
K, i don’t think the lines have anything to do w/ Morse Code. if you look at the Ba Gua wheel, it’s an exact duplicate but w/ one notable exception: the Dharma logo is an inverted representation of the Ba Gua wheel (North is South, and vice versa). i have to do more research on Ba Gua charts to figure out what the different dashes mean. all i know so far is that each set of dashes corresponds to a different point on the compass. what this has to do with Dharma, Hanso, and Lost is still TBD. at least we’re all havin’ fun trying to figure it out! thx for the link to “Lost Rhapsody.” Weird Al, Queen, and the Lost Cast, what a weird match-made-in-hell that is!
I searched google about “Anna Johns” and the first few hits were interesting. A Anna Johns worked for NBC stations and was a freelance writer. It defintely sounds like an ‘experiment’to me.
I looked on amazon about the Illuminati book, but i having doubts about buying it now. It sounds like a conspiracy book according to the reviews.
Let me know how the morse code comes! :)
A site/company @ http://bigspaceship.com/v3/ made the LOST website, and others. So I think Anna Johns has nothing to do with the bigspaceship site.
here’s an interesting link for background on the Chinese i Ching and Ba Gua philosophies. the eight trigrams surrounding the Dharma Initiative logo are definitely taken straight from the i Ching:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua_%28concept&29
there’s another link here on use of i Ching hexagram and trigram symbols in Unicode language. not sure if this is pertinent or not. but it is certainly possible that the trigrams in the Dharma symbols indicate some type of computer code that can be interpreted in several different languages. i believe that the trigrams are not morse code, but some other type of code, prehaps Unicode, and probably readable by the bunker’s archaic computer system. now we just have to figure out what they mean.
also, wikipedia has compiled a decent overview of Lost, which you can link to here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_%28TV_series%29
Jo, I agree that the wikipedia overview is excellent. It even proves that the shark DID have the DI logo on it. I saw one little picture of it on another forum and read several people who seemed to take offense to the idea that DI would put a logo on a shark and that the whole idea was ridiculous. Thanks for leading me there. I enjoyed it.
Who are these kids?? That’s the teddy bear! I swear it is.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-promos/sea2/48days/normal_48days-promo12.jpg
Hey! I was visiting another forum and found this new Dharma Initiative film!! Watch it and let’s talk about it!!
http://rapidshare.de/files/6550202/HansoClassification4-16-81.wmv.html
Kerri, that film explains what Dharma was into. I downloaded it, and will look at it closer when I find some free time. Great job at finding that. At least we know now what each site did. Do you notice that it went from 3 to 5 when the 4th symbol should have been numbered 4 not 5. I also looked at those photos you linked earlier, I don’t know if that teddy bear is the same, but it does look familiar. Did you notice the date? 4-16-81. 4 and 16 are part of the numbers. Everybody else should download and see this film if they are interested in all of Dharma’s initatives.
If anybody has the time, could they possibly filter it clearer so we actually can see the fine text and the lab scene.
kerri: whoa, how’d you find the link to the new Hanso film?! that’s a lot of info to digest! i’m such a geek w/ this that i had to pause it to take notes! i knew the info on the other 5 Dharma Initiatives would come up sooner or later. i noticed that not only are all the Dharma logos different, so are the trigrams surrounding each of them. and the logo for Station 4 looks very similar to the one in the new bunker (Eko’s/Ana’s/Bernard’s/Libby’s, et al). i’m guessing we are to assume that all of these initiatives are, or have been, taking place on the island. also, did the end of the film make any sense to you? the guy in the white robe could be Alvar Hanso, but who’s the guy who appears after him, partially shadowed. could that be Gerald DeGroot? also, the photo you found on the other link makes no sense yet. who indeed are those two children, and what do they have to do w/ Ana Lucia? i’m guessing it’s either a leaked still from an upcoming episode, an outtake from a deleted scene, or simply a hoax to throw us all off. your thoughts?!
Yes, I did notice they skip 4! I don’t think the film can be filtered since it’s made to look exactly the way it looks. Frame stills would be the only way to analyze it better. I’m wondering if that guy’s face that they focus on towards the end is Gerald DeGroot? And yeah, I think that’s Hanso, the guy w/ white hair. However, here’s a link where one of the TV bigwigs says to “beware of fake Hanso sites”.
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=23566
I noticed somthing in the film-when each BaGua comes up, there are black dots that appear briefly. The dots on the first 2 Ba’s show up where the hot spots are from Horse Girls Diagram. I tried using the dots from the 3rd Ba but could couldn’t get it to go green. I know everyone said the Dharma info page is a fake page but could the movie be the key to open that page???
Oh my God….I’m totally trippin! Check this out. Look at this picture of a hypercube.
http://www.festomuvesz.hu/krobath/kepek/TN_Hypercube.JPG
Now, what does that look like????? Now, on the oceanic815.com site, I remembered going to the Explore tab and clicking on the little white dots and watching the videos. Well, I did that a couple of times and guess what??? A hypercube appears!! So????? What does that mean?? I’m not that smart, I need help!
WOW, I have no idea how you found that video but what a great find. Wasn’t the symbole missing from the other hatch? (the one where the tail enders were)…anyways I made a mistake earlier when I said Desmond grabbed the bear, it was a stuffed Rabbit (sorry bout that). There are pictures however from the “Other 48 Days” episode and there’s a picture of a little girl holding a bear (stuffed that is), make what you will of it.
http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/displayimage-14-11.html
kerri – i went to the site you found to watch the 2nd film, but once i got there it was just the Rapid Share page and nothing about the hanso film could be found…..any ideas?
i need to watch it again. i remember a different symbol from any shown in the film. it was a simple cross shape, composed of 2 thin straight lines. it’s similar in appearance to Station 4’s vertical arrow through the horizontal Dharma text (only without the arrow or the text!). i’m 95% convinced the photo of Ana w/ the 2 kids is an intentionally leaked still from an upcoming episode. the mouse likes to keep us guessing!
Well, remember I said this and we’ll see if I’m wrong, but I think Ana is totally NOT who she claims to be. I’m not saying she’s bad, because that’s the obvious impression we’re given, but she’s not on the up & up. I DO believe that’s the same teddy bear. I mean, come on! Why is that little girl holding a teddy bear in that photo?
And Sean, I’ll take a look at the site w/ the other video and see what’s up.
Sean, go back to the link and scroll down where you have to pick a Free or Premium account. Click Free then wait about 5 seconds. Then the download will start. If you have more trouble let me know.
Everyone might be interested in reading this interview w/ Damon Lindelof. He reveals some good things about the show.
http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Trans/Lindelof/
I think the woman in these photos look the same.
The smack addict in Charlie’s hotel room:
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=312
Walt’s nanny in Australia:
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=172&pos=515
so you wanna hear something funny? i bought a lottery ticket today and for fun played the “lost” numbers. the whole lottery terminal shut down. No joke. Kinda Creepy!! yikes
hard to tell if the two women are the same. there is certainly a very strong resemblance, but it’s impossible to tell for sure. it would make for yet another interesting plot twist, to say the least. i enjoyed the Lindelof interview, particularly the bit about revealing something through Vincent’s p.o.v. wonder what that was all about, and who spilled it too?!
Does anyone else think Walt’s mom was involved w/ the Hanso Foundation?? I believe she was, totally.
it wouldn’t surprise me, at this point. i was wrong about the newest Dharma Initiative logo. it is identical to the one seen in the new Hanso film for Station 4 (a vertical arrow through horizontal Dharma text). just checked out J.M. Berger’s blog at egoplex.com where they’ve posted a captured still of it. i couldn’t quite make it out on my TV, and i’m glad somebody else could.
Well, I posted this on another forum, regarding Walt’s mom. Check out this photo of Walt’s mom’s house.
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=172&pos=517
The only reason the camera had to shoot Michael like that was to get a look at the ceiling. So here goes my crazy idea…..I think Walt’s mom was involved in an experiment w/ the Dharma Initiative and knew she’d have a “special” baby. I think she had the baby with Michael because it’d be easy to take the kid away from him. I think Walt’s mom died from the same sickness the people on the island did. I don’t think Walt’s anger killed him mom like it killed the bird. It was the island sickness. And she moved to Australia to be closer to the island.
wow, i totally missed the symbol on the ceiling! i think you’re on target re: Walt’s mom. i’ve had trouble believing that she moved to Australia for a new job. why uproot your young child, abandoning all family & friends, to drag him halfway across the globe for some new law job? there aren’t enough of those in the states?! and most parents i know value stability for their children more than their own self-interests. i think she was involved somehow w/ Hanso and, perhaps unknowingly, part of one of the Dharma Initiatives. if we are to believe that the latest Hanso film is real, the Initiative Classification for Station 6 was Human Advancement. as you say, she knew he was “special” and maybe she took him to Australia to be tested by the Hanso folks. she couldn’t admit that to Michael, however, so maybe she made up the story about the job opportunity.
Well, I just watched the rerun of “Adrift” on ABC. Now I’m not sure how Walt’s mom ended up in Australia because during the scene with the custody lawyers, she was saying she was taking Walt to Rome to be a senior partner at the firm. So I don’t remember how they ended up in Aussie. However, the toy Michael gave Walt in the park, right before his mom took him, was…..get this…..a stuffed polar bear.
yeah, i figured that out last night too. somehow i missed the part about Susan taking Walt to Rome the first time it aired. in the custody hearing, they said she had also taken him to Amsterdam. that may be the beginning of her connection to Hanso. here’s something puzzles me about last night’s rerun: the first time it aired i swear i saw the D.I. logo on the side of the shark, just before you see the tail go by. but in last night’s version, the symbol was not there! i have Tivo, so i could rewind and freeze-frame it on the shark. in an earlier post you said you could not see it in the first airing. it goes by so fast that it’s nearly impossible to notice at normal speed. but i swear to you that it was there in the original airing! i paused it, rewound it, and freeze-framed it several times and saw the D.I. swan logo very clearly. my point is that you had to be able to freeze-frame it to really see it. but in last night’s rerun, i did that several times and it simply was not there anymore! i think ABC may have aired a slightly different re-cut of the episode just to mess with us! that may also explain how we missed the part about Susan taking Walt to Rome the first time.
another thing that struck me about last night’s rerun was the homage to Brando in “Apocalyse Now.” did anyone notice in the scene where Locke first enters the bunker that it looked eerily similar to the scene in A.N. where you see Kurtz for the first time? Locke enters slowly from the shadows of the hatch shaft, much like Brando emerged from the shadows the first time you see him in the film. i watched it in super slo-mo and the image of Kurtz immediatly came to mind. i think that’s the producers’ subtle little nod to Coppola.
I never saw AN so that part would have been “lost” on me (hahahaha), but I was specifically looking for that damned logo on the shark. But yeah, I was like, “hey, there’s NO way someone watching this saw a logo cuz that fin was out of water for 1 second and the angle of it wasn’t clear enough” so I was really confused about it. I think you’re right. It was cut.
in the first airing, the logo was only seen in the one underwater shot of Sawyer as he’s swimming for the pontoon. the shark passes through the frame, going from left to right between the camera and Sawyer, and when I freeze-framed it there was a Dharma logo on the side just in front of the tail. didn’t see that in last night’s airing, but i swear it was there before!
is it just me or were the apollo candy bars the only thing in the pantry with a brand name on it? everything else seemed to have a dharma logo on it.
yeah, that’s the only name i really noticed. none of the other stuff was actually featured, it was really just background. there was a shot of Hurley eating from a bag of chips, but i couldn’t tell what fake brand name was on the bag. i think we all noticed “Apollo” b/c they did a close up of him munching on it, and then featured it again as Rose slid it into her pocket for Bernard. could anyone tell if there was a brand name on the jar of peanut butter he gave to Charlie?
No, as I remember the peanut butter had a white labe with “PEANUT BUTTER” in black letters. Intersting about the Apollo bars though. So that’s three times the Apollo bar was the focus. 1)Kate 2)Hurley and 3)Rose…..but wasn’t there a scene somewhere when someone asked, “What’s an Apollo bar?” Maybe Hurley was telling Charlie and Charlie had never heard of it, I can’t remember. But still, isn’t it odd that a candy bar named “Apollo” is focused on so much? Maybe the survivors are on another planet.
I found this picture on a site from an upcoming episode:
http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/albums/7/normal_48days-promo22.jpg
Notice it’s a bird on a stick? Well if you go to http://megalottojackpot.com/ and click the blank space under the fake ads on the right it send you to another page:
http://megalottojackpot.com/images/easteregg.gif
Notice the bottom it says Believe in the cat. And Bird on a stick?
Just thought I’d throw it out there.
Sorry to double post but I’ve been reading up on Lost for about 5 hours and it’s 5am and I’m still here.
On that same site in the images directory I found these too:
http://www.megalottojackpot.com/images/catbirddharma.gif
Notice it says catbirddharma … there’s that bird on a stick thing again.
http://www.megalottojackpot.com/images/dharma_progression.gif
The one on the right reminds me of a horses leg. If I find anything else I’m sure I’ll post. I have the 5 new episodes of the new series on a dvd so I’ll go back and let you know if I can see the logo on the shark (I’ll post a screenshot) and I’m sure I’ll watch the videos and look at the others more closely too.
Uhm… Bird on a stick? Isn’t it just a piece of wood that they’re trying to set fire on with the old wood-on-wood technique?
yeah, i don’t really see the “Bird on a Stick” thing either. the photo from “The Other 48 Days” looks like he’s just trying to start a fire. how much you wanna bet the guy in the photo is the guy Eko and Jin found impaled in the jungle? i think Eko said his name is “Godley.” it’s also interesting to note that the progression of Dharma logos on megalottojackpot.com shows the 2 we’ve seen and 2 new ones that we haven’t seen yet. i’m not sure if these are “real” or not, since they’re not in the latest Hanso film either. could be a hoax, who knows?
The shark did have the logo on its tail by the way. I can’t make out which logo it is though.
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/397/shark0ub.jpg
I don’t know if this has been mentioned either but the stuff Desmund injected into himself in 2×01 has the numbers on it.
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lost2×01stuffdesmundinjectsnot.jpg
..and here’s some pictures of the others. Sorry for the quality of all of these pics.
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=others8by.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=others29kw.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=others37fh.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=others48tl.jpg
i thought it was the Dharma swan logo when i saw it the first time. now i’m not so sure. it doesn’t resemble any D.I. logo we’ve seen yet, including the 6 in the 2nd Hanso film. there’s a pretty wild theory on the ABC forum board for Lost from a guy who claims The Others can morph back and forth into the black smoke. they sometimes take the form of humans, as we’ve seen in the boat and in the group Jin & Eko saw walking through the jungle. this person claims to have inside knowledge and also claims that when the others are in the form of the black smoke they can infect the survivors with the disease.
From http://www.bigspaceship1.org – Orin Selenici ACA is an anagram for Oceanic Airlines
okay, any thoughts on Dr. Marvin Candle? i’ve been looking at it for a couple of days now and have come up with Calvin Randem/Ramden/Marend/Nedmar/Denmar/Derman, etc. this only makes sense if you believe Desmond’s partner’s name was “Calvin” and not “Kelvin.” it could also be a simple pun to amuse us, and probably means nothing.
Don’t believe a word of what Shimmyo says on ABC.com…..he’s a verified hoax.
I remember somewhere, something said, “Look for the easter eggs”. Damn, I totally can’t remember where. But as soon as I saw “easter egg” I remembered it saying to look for them and I was really perplexed at what an easter egg would have to do with LOST or any clues. I also read somewhere (I’m gonna start writing ALL these sources down) that the two guys on the boat are twins. It was an article or something. Can anyone help me with this?
Oh, nevermind. It’s at the top of this page where Paulo says “Watch for easter eggs”.
Also, we know that MC Gainey is playing “Bearded Man” in a couple of upcoming episodes and that guy from Dharma and Greg is playing Gerald DeGroot so that means the man on the boat is not DeGroot.
Oh, the IMDB site says the guy from Dharma and Greg is playing GREG DeGroot, not GERALD Degroot. I’m assuming it’s Gerald’s son, so maybe the bearded guy in the boat is Gerald DeGroot after all.
I don’t know if anyone’s been over to the IMDB Lost board. But there’s a guy there who says he’s a writer for lost. It’s a fake but it’s just really interesting cause he’s answered 800+ questions from the people there, I think this is day 3 of question time. Alot of the stuff that was said makes sence but then there is the no talking rule and anyone working on Lost who blows the plot is charged.
kerri,
thx, i found out the truth re: shimmyo after i posted that. some relatively interesting theories there, and the uproar created on that forum was pretty amusing. i checked out the link to his stupid little film too. it makes no sense (surprise, surprise!).
I know I am going back kinda far, but I wanted to let you guys know that the picture on Bigspaceship1.com of the “moving almonds” is an old optical illusion, I highly doubt that it has any real significance. I actually used to use it as a wallpaper for my computer for a while, until my eyes started getting crossed.
Hey, do any of you have the capability to freeze a screen image? mrclucks.com has a new flashing message about the monster. As far as I can make out, it says…”you see what you want to see…..the monster is only as real as you….”
Hey Jomama…..Shimmyo is telling the EXACT same junk to all the poor people on the IMDB board. I’ve posted a warning about him. What’s that link to his stupid movie? Maybe that’ll help these people to see that he’s totally wasting our time and mocking us.
Found this to be very compelling:
A guy on ABC.com posted these two frames from the first Dharma video showing part of a constellation:
http://student.vfs.com/~3d48matt/stars1.jpg
http://student.vfs.com/~3d48matt/stars2.jpg
The stars are shown at the beginning and middle of the video.
Now, how ’bout this…….the constellation could very well be Cygnus….or SWAN…..
This explains the constellation a bit….
http://www.seds.org/Maps/Stars_en/Fig/cygnus.html
This is how the stars form the swan’s body:
http://www.seds.org/Maps/Pics/cygnus_fig.gif
Cygnus is in the northern hemisphere. Maybe that guy who thinks the island is really north rather than south has a point. Remember, we’ve been thrown the idea by the producers that the island may not be an island at all.
kerri, the link is: http://www.uploaspider.com/511/Panda%Pop
it has links to three other files: a JPG of Shimmyo (allegedly!) and two WMV files. i watched the first movie earlier in the week, but for some reason both WMV files won’t open anymore. the JPG still opens, but it looks like they may have taken down the other two already. i only watched the first movie once, and the only thing i remember about it was that it was a lame rip-off (it was that stunning!). i wouldn’t be surprised if he got a cease and desist order from ABC for using proprietary images without permission.
Interesting, now the entire URL is gone. What a freakin’ loser. I think you’re right, they got to him.
yeah, whatever it was it’s gone now. the web has no tolerance for fakes and poseurs!
hey, just checked another link, and it still works for the James/Shimmyo JPG. check this:
http://uploadspider.com/511/Panda%20Pop/James%20%28shimmyo%29.JPG/web-hosting.html
the photo’s there, but the links to the WMV files still won’t load.
Somebody should slash his tires…or write him an angry letter. One or the other…
Oooohhhh, YUK. Did you see his chest hair? Gag. I did send him quite the “nasty” message more than once on a few forums, in which I insinuated he masturbates regulary in his closet and has a vicious need for attention. Maybe that’s what made him take his stupid sites down. (yeah, right)
But hey, back to topic…..
Two things to bring up..
1)The Nigerian Flag is hanging in the caves. I smell “clue”……
2)Hurley tells the snowman joke in a previous episode, the answer being, “Do you smell carrots?” Hence, he is HIM. ???????
Hey, check this out. If you send an email to Dr. Jack Shephard you get an out of office reply.
jack.shephard@stmartinshosp.org
I’m going over transcripts….came across something extremely odd….This is from Exodus Part 2….Michael is on the payphone at the airport, right before he and Walt get on the plane, he’s calling his mom…..
“Hey, you want something to eat? [Walt doesn't respond.] I guess that’s a no, then. If you’re worried about Vincent, he going to be okay, man. Dogs fly in the luggage compartment all the time. Alright, I’ve got to call work, right over there. Don’t go anywhere, okay. [Michael at a pay phone.] No, I live in a studio apartment. I’ve got to be out the door in the morning for work at 5am. Who’s going to watch him? How’s he going to get to school? What’s he going to do after school? I can’t do this, ma. You know, I was – listen, I was thinking – I was thinking maybe you could take him. Look, ma, if it’s a question of money. [We see Locke go by in his wheelchair.] What am I supposed to do with him? He’s not supposed to be mine. That was never part of the plan. Yeah, I – thanks a lot. [He hangs up and turns around to discover Walt standing there.] Hey, man, I was, uh. . .”
Anyone else find it odd that Michael says Walt isn’t supposed to be his because that was never part of the plan??? WHAT PLAN???? Hmmm……(eyebrow goes up)
hey, i remember that scene and didn’t think the conversation was odd at the time. Michael could have been speaking rhetorically. if he wasn’t, he may have been referring to Susan’s “plan” of taking Walt away with her. Or, since Michael is still recovering from his car accident, maybe he meant taking Walt back wasn’t part of his recovery “plan.” i dunno, there’s so much you can read in to almost everything about this show! and having Locke in the background probably means something too! or sometimes a plan is just a plan … sorry, gotta get back to work (the real world, ugh!).
Let’s assume the island is a part of Atlantis, okay, where is the evidence that a civilization was once there? I guess if we assume that the island sunk four or five thousand years ago, and being under the ocean cause the structures erode away, would there be anything left? What would give dharma proof that it was once the great island?
Kerri, I think you are taking the phone conversation a little too literally.
But I think Walt’s mom never wanted to marry Micheal to begin with. She knew that Walt would be important to the project, and therefore, left Micheal.
Has anybody managed to list everything the dharma video that was released a while ago?
(I have been busy lately, and haven’t had much time to post, sorry if this is old stuff)
The video came up as walt disney internet group on my media player. So it has to be an actual Lost tape.
To further support, the atlantis theory, notice how not only the hatch seemed, sealed solid, but what about the ‘front door’, the turn the wheel to open it. The place was built for underwater.
My prediction for the person who gets killed will come from the tail end of the plane. It won’t be Ana Lucia because the show writers probably want another person that everyone will hate,(i.e. on the island), other than sawyer. I think, even though Kate loves Sawyer, I think Sawyer will try to get Ana, even though she is such a *****. The way him and her talking about being married, that was defintely the beginning of the mating games on the island. Kate will get hurt by sawyer’s lack of interest in her and run back to Jack.
Also, in the new dharma video, Hanso looks around sixty or mid/late fifties. If it was filmed in 1981, and the show takes place in 2012 and assume that the flashbacks of Locke being around ten years ago (2000s), that would put Hanso around 80.
Locke’s meeting of his father puts him close to looking like he was in his late 70s, early 80s. This concludes support for the Hanso-is-Locke’s father-theory.
Happy Halloween everybody :)
I think the plan Michael was talking about was the fact that he signed all his parental rights to Walt’s mom and boyfriend. The fact that the boyfriend gave Walt back to the dad after he had everything worked out in his life and wasn’t planning on having a kid any time soon. As for the Atlantis theory Abrams said that the crash happened in 2004 when the show first aired so it couldn’t have been 2012. I didn’t really like that idea. Hopefully it’ll be different, but that’s my opinion.
Patrick, I have articles saved where Abrams says, “everyone assumes when the crash happened. We never said it was 2004 but I think the audience just assumes that.”
Jayhawk, you know something? You’re really right about the hatch being made for underwater. I mean, there’s been numerous theories about it being a submarine. And about Hanso being Locke’s father, well remember when Emily, Locke’s mom tells him he’s special in Deux ex Machina? She says, “I want to tell you that you’re special. Very special. You’re part of a design.” But I’m tellin’ you guys, Michael saying that Walt was never supposed to be his because it wasn’t part of the plan means something more than we know at this point. And remember, Michael never fought Susan for custody, he just didn’t want her taking Walt out of the country. I’m ON to something!!! (or maybe just a little tipsy, but what the hell)
Kerri, you may be onto something there, Micheal may know more than what we think he does, that could be why he is so determined on getting walt back. He knows probably bits and pieces of Susan’s work, (probably from future flashbacks in coming episodes) this may explain why he hates anybody who says that Walt is special. He could be in a state of denial, if he truly knows Walt’s potential.
Kerri, i just reread the passage of Micheal’s phone conversation. When did Micheal get lots of money? “…if it’s a question of money…”. This was a guy who couldn’t afford rent, pay his hospital bills, support even himself (according to Susan). I know he was a artist/ construction worker, where did the money come from? This could support my theory above about him knowing more about Walt than we think. There was probably a payoff somewhere along the line. I don’t know if would come from the car accident, because he sued the guy that hit him, wouldn’t that lawsuit pay his hospital bills then, and not require Susan coming in to bail him out. He might know what Walt is worth to Hanso/Dharma, and realizes that he could profit handsomely from it. The whole ‘protective father/want my son back thing’ could just be a cover up for either greed or knowing the purpose of why Susan got Walt involved in dharma. The others were just waiting for walt’s arrival, and that is why they were determined to take him. I think Micheal only knows a bit of dharma, and that is the underlying reason why he wanted off the island so badly.
Also, does anybody know when Rosseau will be making her season 2 debut? I miss the ‘french chick’.
P.S. If I remember correctly, Micheal didn’t fight for custody because that was a fight he would lose for sure. He was just trying to keep them there, because he still had parental rights to Walt, and was allowed to see him.
Sorry about the grammar errors; it should say: … because “if” he sued the guy that hit him, wouldn’t that lawsuit pay his hospital bills then, and not require Susan coming in to bail him out.
I wasn’t implying that the show said he sued somebody. Just a theory.
Good Night and Good Luck.
i still think you all are reading too much into Michael’s phone call to his mom. i will concede that kerri might be on to something here, b/c i do think Michael knows more than he’s let on so far. in fact, i think all of the major characters do. but i don’t see enough evidence to support it yet. the conversation can be interpreted any number of ways. we haven’t seen enough evidence to really determine anything for sure, at least not yet.
jay, here’s my notes from the 2nd Hanso film:
The film was titled: “Initiative Classifications,” copyright 1981.
Station 1 – Psychological Research
–Behavioral Modification
–Dissociative Disorder Study
–Psychodynamic Research
–Systematic Desensitization
Station 2 – Parapsychological Study
–Anomalous Phenomena
–Bilocation & Remote Viewing
–Telekinetics & GESP
–Clairvoyance/Clairaudience
Station 3 – Physics & Electromagnetics
–Boson String Research
–Matrix Mechanic Theory
–Paleogeography
–Quantum Electrodynamics
Station 4 – Zoological Sciences
–Cryptozoological Research
–Genus Aberrational Studies
–Phylogenetics
–Species Allocation & Conservation
Station 5 – Astronomy & Meteorology
–Electron Degeneracy Research
–Gravitational Radiation
–Peculiar Stellar Velocities
–Radiative Transport Study
Station 6 – Human Advancement
–Heterogeneity Refinement
–Cryogenics & Cellular Stasis
–Ectopic Integration Studies
–Monoclonal Research
Each station had it’s own distinct D.I. logo, where Station 3 had the familar Swan logo and Station 4 had the newly seen vertical arrow through horizontal “Dharma” text (as seen in Ana’s bunker). The other four stations had different D.I. logos that we have not seen before.
also, there’s a quote near the end:
“A commitment to encouraging excellence in science and technology, and furthering the causes of human development.”
-Namaste
then it ends with the copyright info:
The Hanso Foundation, 1981. All Rights Reserved.
i haven’t had time to even attempt to research any of this. maybe somebody out there can clue us in here. hope this helps you …
I found a site with all the logos posted from the film:
http://www.realiiity.com/cgi-bin/forums/forums.cgi?post=196879;guest=3806467
Also if you look through their threads, on realiiity, one of them says that Shannon gets killed on Nov. 9. They said its been reported from a pretty good source.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boson
look into the boson string on wiki and you see two numbers that is familiar; (4 and 23)
Thanks jomama for the film text, I copied and pasted it right into my ‘Lost’ file.
Its going to take a while researching all of this, but i am betting that there is a numerical link in all of them.
yeah, i read that bit about Shannon getting killed in another forum, which has since been refuted. a guy named Shimmyo posted a bunch of “inside information” on the ABC forum, and then on iMDB too. some of his theories made sense, and he seemed to have a believable answer to every query from other posters. in one of his claims, he stated that Shannon comes down with the disease, which is spread by the others when they take the form of the black smoke. Rousseau recognizes that Shannon has the illness, since she saw it take the lives of everyone else in her party. she decides to shoot Shannon to prevent the disease from spreading (or from turning her into one of the others). a lot of Shimmyo’s claims sounded plausible, and for awhile there he sure could talk a good game. but he was revealed as a fake on the ABC forum last week. if anything, he gave everyone a good ride and generated a lot of buzz during an otherwise slow three week hiatus. like everything else about this show, if you’re not a writer on it then there’s no predicting what will happen next. if Shannon is the one who dies, then i’ll believe it when i see it!
thx for the info on Bosons. so, if Helium has 4 atoms and Sodium has 23, what are the rest of the elements that have atoms corresponding to the other numbers? hello, any physists out there?!
I think that sun will have something to do with the “person who dies” in the next episode. I remember before the start of the new season, on the oceanic air site, there was a portion of an image peeking out on the right side of the screen where it explains about the airline going bankrupt. you could pull the image from its edge and view small portions of it at a time. The image was a page from a screenplay. I remember very little of what it said, because at the time I did not want to know any secrets before they happened, but I vaguely remember something about a sea creature (an octopus or something) and also a scene involving Sun and Kate. and Sun was saying something like “I dont even know how to use a gun” I dont know. I wish I could remember better, but It seems like when I go to the site now, I cant access the picture anymore. does anyone else remember the Pic? or am I dreaming this up?
Also, In the meet the cast portion of the bonus DVD, they said that Sun (I forget her real name) is an accomplished movie actor in her home land. Maybe she wants to free up her time to committ to more lucrative roles.
Some of the things that Dharma was into:
Atlantis to be confirmed with this subject:
Paleogeography-is the study of the ancient geography of the Earth’s surface.
I don’t understand physics all that well, other than Newtons laws, a physicist please help.
Quantum Electrodynamics-it talks about black bodies, a black body is an object that absorbs all electromagnetic radiation that falls onto it. No radiation passes through it and none is reflected.
A black body-could it be the answer to what we called the black smoke. Electromagnetic, doesn’t the hatch have something electromagnetic inside it.
Again, I don’t know much about this other than the famous Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
Matrix mechanics is a formulation of quantum mechanics created by Werner Heisenberg.
This might have to do with the others.
Phylogenetics (Greek: phylon = race and genetic = birth) is the taxonomical classification of organisms based on how closely they are related in terms of evolutionary differences.
Couldn’t find anything on ectopic integration studies but the definition of ectopic
ectopic-Out of place, as of an organ not in its proper position, or of a pregnancy occurring elsewhere than in the cavity of the uterus.
Of or relating to a heartbeat that has its origin elsewhere than in the sinoatrial node.
Cryptozoological–Interesting stuff, more to it than i have posted, you should look at this stuff, here is something that i thought that might apply for lost “…Similarly cited is the 1976 discovery of the previously unknown megamouth shark, discovered off Oahu, Hawaii…”
Shark hmmm. Oahu, the filming site. Look into this stuff if anybody has the time. Very “Lost-like”. 1976-could the megamouth be a part of dharma. It was on that island by then. (rem. Dharma initiative 1970.)
This should be a boost to anybody who is researching the list of what each site did. I used wikipedia mainly, and it seems to have the best results.
If we all look for what they were into, maybe we can compile all this information into a theory that would explain everything.
Happy Posting :)
Just thought I should mention this. Over at mrclucks.com they have another update and another hidden message that flashes by. I thought it was interesting. and if you connect the words it says something like “The monster only wants what you want. You will only know the monster by the sound of it’s cries. You will only see the monster if you close your eyes.” and then it says the next update is in 15 days, I thought this was interesting cause the last update was in 8 days and the one before that was in 4 days.
WOW, did anyone notice that you can see the black smoke in the picture that says “taking you place you’ve never imagined” on top of http://www.oceanic-air.com?
Scary!
Also, if you check the source of one of the pages(rightclick when you are in the Flight Tracker) it says at the top:
If you are reading this note PLEASE get word to my wife that her husband survived the crash of Oceanic Flight #815 along with 47 others. Darling, I miss you so much and dream of the day I can see your face again. The very thought of that day is all that keeps me going here. Please don’t forget me!
I wonder who it’s from???
Hehehe, you guys in the US are all sleeping right now, but it’s morning here in Belgium and I can’t stop exploring these sites!
On http://www.driveshaftband.com (Charlie’s band) they make it clear why Oceanic Air closed its doors.
They had to pay almost 5 billion dollars to the family of the dissapearing victims.
You don’t see that on the show.
Like that one too, lots of articles to read about flight 815 that have little suprises in it.
I’m probably starting to bug you all with my babbling, but I just found out some interesting stuff on driveshaftband.com:
Another link to Amsterdam! If you click “Fans (encounters)” there is a review by a Dutch girl from Amsterdam.
Funny: I speak Dutch, and it’s clearly not written by a real Dutch person, a lot of sentences just don’t make sense, but the English version does. So I guess they just used babelfish to translate the words, haha.
Also, if you only read the bold printed sentences in the lyrics-section starting at the top and working your way down, it’s almost like you are reading Charlie’s story about what happened (and is about to happen?).
Greetings!
Wow! I step away from this site for one day and look what happens??? Excellent work, all of you! Jayhawk, I will definitely explore the topics that jomama took the time to list off the 2nd Dharma video.
Regarding the next episode….I have read on SO MANY sites that Shannon does die that I almost have to believe it won’t be her at all. Tons of spoiler sites and gossip articles from E! online, but nothing has actually been confirmed by anyone associated with LOST. At this point, we should all just wait and see.
I’ve been reading each episode transcript carefully and although I’m not finished with them, I’ve found a few things that caught my attention. One, you all know, being Michael’s conversation on the phone. And yes, I also wondered about the money. I figured Brian gave him plenty when he handed over Walt. Another thing that caught my attention: the entire episode of Deus ex Machina is important, I believe. Locke’s mother tells him, “I want to tell you that you are special, very special. You’re part of a design.” When I saw it, I thought she was just a nutcase. But now, I believe he’s very much a part of Dharma somehow. Also, remember when he pricks his leg and puts fire on his foot and feels no pain? I don’t think he ever got sensation in his legs. I think the whole idea of electromagnetic forces has a lot to do with him walking. Some people on other sites suspect he might have metal pins in his legs but that hasn’t been proven on the show. And of course, we have two missing arms now. Dr. Marvin Candle and whoever the dude is that Rousseau mentions having lost his arm at the Black Rock. Oh, and the whole conversation between the bearded guy on the boat and Michael is completely different when I read it then when I watch it. It’s obvious to me that the boat people went looking for the raft. When the bearded guy asks, “What are you doing so far out here?”, I suddently realized that nobody is SUPPOSED to leave that island. And after the raft people look out at the island in the distance and realize just how freakin’ huge it is, Michael says, “How does something this big not get discovered?” Because it isn’t always there, that’s what I say.
I’ve tried to cath a screen shot of the message on mrclucks.com but the guy above laid it out with what he wrote. I’m beginning to look towards a collective conscience idea regarding the survivors. At 2:50am this all becomes a bit daunting, probably should quit thinking and go back to bed.
Hi folks – just wanted to thank everyone for their comments on here, I’m an avid lost fan & this is the best forum I’ve found for theories/discoveries etc.. Sorry I can’t contribute for whenever I find something you guys are too quick & beat me to it. (I even struggle to find this page!)
one thought though, someone mentioned the clip where micheal tells his mum ‘if its about money (hinting he has lots). When he had the accident and susan(?) paid bills etc.. was that not when walt was a toddler? and he got walt back when walt was 10, so he would have had many years to progress within the contruction firm and make decent money?
Very interesting andy. I thought the same about the age gap. I alaso agree that they?? (others) were looking for the raft. Wasn’t it Walt that torched the first raft. Does anyone else think it was coincidental? Anyway, I am looking forward to seeing tonights episode.
See ya’ll on the other side
Maybe these are stupid questions… if they are feel free to say, “hey joel, those were stupid questions.” but if Michael had all this money why didn’t he just hire a nanny?
another query- in the Hanso Foundation’s mission statement it says, “For forty years, the foundation has offered grants to…..” What kind of a mission statement says how many years you’ve been in existence? They’d have to keep changing their mission statement. Does anyone think that has any significance? I can’t think with the intelligence that the Lost writers and producers have put into this show that they would just screw up on that unintentionally. Or maybe I’m just reading too much into it. Someone let me know if I’m crazy or not. This has been bugging me ever since I first went on the hanso site way back when.
More of what Dharma was into:
Anomalous Phenomena–is an observed phenomenon for which there is no suitable explanation in the context of a specific body of scientific knowledge (e.g. astronomy or biology).
There is under the links section ‘cryptozoology’ connecting it to another field that Dharma was into. This is about aliens, conspiracy theories, the ability to be telepathic, and extra mental capabilities.
Bilocation is the ostensibly supernatural act of appearing or being in two or more locations simultaneously.
Could it do with Walt appearing to Shannon, while at sea?
Telekinetics is Psychokinesis (literally “mind-movement”) or PK is the more commonly used term today for what in the past was known as telekinesis (literally “distant-movement”). It refers to the psi ability to influence the behavior of matter by mental intention (or possibly some other aspect of mental activity) alone
If you read this article on wiki a bit further, you find out that a test study was conducted with people and dice. It would test them to see if they can manipulate the dice to whatever number they wanted. There is talk further on about how it may be connected to quantum mechanics. Again another connection to a field that Dharma was into. You got to read about this. Some of this I think, plays an important part with the island.
Walt! Him and Hurley playing that game. Walt always was getting the right number, it wasn’t luck, he was ‘telling’ the dice to be a certain number. Hurley quit playing after losing a supposed $80,000 to Walt. The puzzle of Walt’s special gifts is unraveling.
Clairvoyance-is defined as a form of extra-sensory perception that it is claimed allows a person to perceive distant objects, persons, or events, including “seeing” through opaque objects and the detection of types of energy not normally perceptible to humans (i.e. radio waves).
Could this be Walt’s “Don’t push the button” or “Don’t open it”. Not sure on this.
Systematic desensitization- is a type of behavioral therapy used in the field of psychology to help overcome phobias and other anxiety disorders
This could explain Locke’s acceptance of the island. Most people would be feeling anxiety being in new surroundings and knowing that there are others.
Psychodynamic Research-doesn’t really give a good explanation of it, all i can gather from it is that people look to their past, to help them deal with a new perspective on their surroundings.
Could this have to do with the show’s flashbacks. They all seem to have a connection to what is going on with the character on the island.
Dissociation-is a psychological state or condition in which certain thoughts, emotions, sensations, or memories are separated from the rest of the psyche.
It talks about multiple personality disorders and I don’t think any character suffers this. Well, maybe Charlie when ever he is around Claire and then the other survivors.
Behavior Modification-is a technique of altering an individuals reactions to stimuli through positive reinforcement and the extinction of maladaptive behavior
Not sure on how to connect this to anything. Can anybody elaborate?
Thats all I got for right now. Interesting stuff especially the parapsychology stuff. Kerri and jomama, can you help me connect all of this together? I see possiblities, but then again, I haven’t got all of them figured out. :)
Hey jay…
“Behavior Modification-is a technique of altering an individuals reactions to stimuli through positive reinforcement and the extinction of maladaptive behavior
Not sure on how to connect this to anything. Can anybody elaborate?”
I immediately thought of Locke and Sawyer. Locke was ridiculed at his job and lied to by his father, etc. but now that he’s fulfilling his “destiny” and is no longer oppressed he has all kinds of opportunities to be unlike the person he was before. Sawyer, same kind of deal. Since he’s been on the island, he’s come to refer to Jin and Michael as his friends and he’s no longer only out for number one. We see instances where he tries to be the person he was before the crash but he’s softening up. Therefore, the stimuli is the fight-flight reaction (i.e survival) and the positive reinforcement being his opportunities to help the other suvivors which, in turn, helps him. Immediately his maladaptive behavior is changed. I realize a plane crash on an unknown island with scary monsters is an odd notion of “positive reinforcement”, but hey….this is Dharma we’re talking about. Reminds me of when people say God doesn’t give you what you want but gives you what you need.
Here is more of what Dharma was into:
Gravitational radiation-In physics, a gravitational wave is a fluctuation in the curvature of space-time which propagates as a wave and gravitational radiation is the collection of gravitational waves emanating from some source or sources.
Wow, this is some above my level understanding, there is talk of black holes, which was connected to something else on the list(can’t remember). There is talk of Einstein’s famous general relativity equation, but again we need a physicist to put this stuff in laymans terms.
It talks about space-time and all I can think of is time travel. Any ideas?
peculiar stellar velocity-The term peculiar velocity refers to the components of a receding galaxy’s velocity that cannot be explained by Hubble’s law.
According to Hubble, and as verified by many astronomers, a galaxy is receding from us at a speed proportional to its distance. The relationship between speed and distance would be exact in absence of other effects.
After reading this section, I immediately thought of a book that might apply. Stephan Hawking’s The Universe in a Nutshell. If anybody would like to, can they check to see if some of this stuff is in there, just in case I can’t find my copy?
Radiative Transport Study-when i punched this in on wiki it took me to “Blackbody infrared radiative dissociation”. black bodies. dissociation. Doesn’t those two things relate to my earlier posts. This is what it says for it
In mass spectrometry blackbody infrared radiative dissociation (BIRD) is a method for fragmenting gas phase ions for tandem mass spectrometric analysis (structural elucidation). BIRD uses the light from black body radiation to thermally (vibrationally) excite the ions until a bond breaks. This is very similar to infrared multiphoton dissociation with the exception of the source of radiation. This technique is most often studied in Fourier transform ion cyclotron resonance mass spectrometry.
I have no idea what this is about, but all i can think of is my earlier posts about the black bodies. If anybody understands this stuff, your input would be greatly valued.
There was a few i skipped because nothing turned up for it. I believe i got most of them, I got 18 out of 24. Again I only used Wikipedia, so if anybody finds something different on an another site, please post ASAP.
Kerri, I like your notion of “positive reinforcement” to explain behavior modification.
Again, don’t just go by what I have posted, you should look up the stuff too. There is so much to it and as well interesting.
I’ll post later, but right now my head is hurting from trying to understand the physics. From reading those articles, they have given me a new respect for people who actually understand it, or work in a physics related field for a career.
I plan to go college to become a history professor, not a physics major. :)
howdy folks, haven’t been able to post much last couple of days due to extremely brutal work load (real world encroaching again, ugh!) but a friend of mine laid this little tidbit on me today. i live in So Cal and my friend is an Art Director who knows Bill Matthews, the Art Director on Lost. he’s in Hawaii, of course, and he told her something about the washer & dryer in Desmond’s bunker. there’s been a lot of online speculation as to why those appliances look so modern when everything else is purposefully dated. Bill told my friend that they looked everywhere for older appliances when they were putting that set together. unfortunately they had no luck finding something on Oahu that fit the period. typically for the TV World, they ran out of time and were forced to use what they could get, which is what we all saw on the show. it was an unintentional continuity gaffe, and i think they were hoping nobody would notice!
that’s my Lost anecdote for the day. talk amongst yourselves … i’ll try to help you folks out w/ more Hanso research tomorrow.
Is this really a rerun tonight?
Whoa! Did anybody catch the preview for Lost next week? It showed Walt drenched and saying something and Shannon going after him.
What did Jack mean by “last time I saw the computer that saves the world…” what does that supposed to mean?
The ‘front door’ had a decompression chamber. They use those for astronauts after being outside in space and for being underwater. When they built the sites, do you notice they seem to be on high ground? They were probably next to the coast when they were constructed, but as the island rose, they got higher,and the soil/sediment laid on top of the buildings hiding them. The room that the computer is in, the dome, do you think that was like an observatory room for being underwater or something. If we assume it has been 42 years since Dharma built those labs, a lot of erosion and plant growth would have occurred causing the lab sites to get covered. Besides if the island is volcanic, the ash from a volcano may have covered the lab sites. Volcanic ash is very fertile and plant life would have grown quickly.
What was that picture behind Jack and John when they were watching the orientation film? It looks familiar somewhere.
Has anybody seen a good picture of Jack’s tatoo, I bet it has significance somehow.
On another note:
In the new film recently released, did you see the symbol of Dharma and the man spread out like the Vitruvian man that Da Vinci made famous. What does Da Vinci have to do with Dharma?
I can’t believe I didn’t catch it sooner.
The Da Vinci thing was the first thing I knew about, didn’t think much of it though. Does anyone know which rerun they aired today? I was just curious. Oh, and did anyone hear about that “Lost” book they were supposed to be releasing? The plot sounded kind of interesting, except it had nothing to do with the show (nothing that we’ve seen at least). Maybe it’ll play some part later on or at least get mentioned and have the people go out and look for themselves.
Tonight’s episode was a rerun of “Orientation”. I also caught Jack’s comment about “the last time I saw a computer saving the world it didn’t look like that”. I don’t know exactly what he means either. I’ll try to find a photo of Jack and Locke watching the film so I can see what picture was behind them. In another forum, someone swears that Locke has one blue eye and one brown when he’s watching the Dharma video. There’s been several mentions of people havine one blue and one brown eye, since the right blue eye of Horus represents the end of the world. If you go to lostmedia.com and look at the photos from each episode, you can really check stuff out and I never saw anyone with different colored eyes. However, you can definitely see set changes in Desmonds bunker. A different lamp on the table, different record player, dirty walls as opposed to shiny clean walls that we see the first time we see Desmond. Of course that’s brought up a lot of speculation as to whether or not the hatch is a time loop.
Regarding the Hanso Foundation mission statement, it is very weird that they say “40 years” instead of “since 1970″ or whatever. I think we have a definite time issue on the show but don’t know how to piece it all together.
This is what we’ve become….
http://www.geocities.com/skillswordfish/lostcartoon.jpg
The Vitruvian man is supposed to represent human perfection. Dharma was probably trying to include in the perfect ‘race’, of telepathy and other capabilities. Not just in stature as in the Vitruvian man.
Look at the picture for yourself, doesn’t it look like the one on the Dharma film?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitruvian_man
The picture forms 16 poses.
It says that:
a palm is the width of four fingers
a foot is the width of four palms
a man’s height is four cubits
The drawing itself is often used as an implied symbol of the essential symmetry of the human body, and by extension, to the universe as a whole.
Does anybody else see the numbers behind this?
Also, with the numbers, I found a site that would put an end to figuring out a connection between them and others.
http://www.research.att.com/cgi-bin/access.cgi/as/njas/sequences/eismum.cgi
It pretty much ends any math speculation whatsoever about them. I guess all that is left is to interpret them symbolically. I was trying to see if they were like a Fibonacci sequence or something.
On wiki, about the upcoming show on Nov. 30 it says that Orlando Bloom is to guest star as “Kelvin Simmons” and that another strange animal is found.
P.S. jomama that’s great how you found out about the washer and dryer, if they were looking for a vintage late 70s early 80s washer-dryer set, they should have called me, my parents just got rid of ours for the same set we saw on Lost. :)
You know, I could have sworn I saw one blue, one brown eye too! But I think I wasn’t looking close enough to tell. If Locke represents the end of the world, I guess that would go with his mother’s “design” statement.
I don’t know if that picture behind them is even important, it just stuck out to me. It just reminded me of some terrain on the island, or the location shown in the film you found.
Kerri, I like your cartoon. What’s even more funny is that the one character looks just like me. :)
hey, anyone get a better look at the photo Jack saw in the bunker in last night’s rerun? it was a snapshot of Desmond w/ a blonde woman who may or may not resemble Jack’s wife. i freeze-framed it to see if i could recognize her, but it was still too hard to tell for sure. in the scene, Jack gives it a long, hard look, as if he recognized something or someone in it. but he doesn’t say anything, so you don’t know what he’s thinking. also, there were skyscrapers in the background. anyone recognize the skyline?
Hey, just pulled this off of Wikipedia (re: monoclonal research):
Monoclonal antibodies (mAb) are antibodies that are identical because they were produced by one type of immune cell, all clones of a single parent cell. Given (almost) any substance, it is possible to create monoclonal antibodies that specifically bind to that substance; they can then serve to detect or purify that substance. This has become an important tool in biochemistry, molecular biology and medicine.
If a foreign substance (an antigen) is injected into a vertebrate such as a mouse or a human, some of the immune system’s B-cells will turn into plasma cells and start to produce antibodies that bind to that antigen. Each B-cell produces only one kind of antibody, but different B-cells will produce structurally different antibodies that bind to different parts of the antigen. This mixture of antibodies is known as polyclonal antibodies.
To produce monoclonal antibodies, one removes B-cells from the spleen of an animal that has been challenged with the antigen. These B-cells are then fused with myeloma tumor cells that can grow indefinitely in culture (myeloma is a B-cell cancer). This fusion is done by making the cell membranes more permeable. The fused hybrid cells (called hybridomas) will multiply rapidly and indefinitely (since they are cancer cells) and will produce large amounts of antibodies. The hybridomas are sufficiently diluted and grown, thus obtaining a number of different colonies, each producing only one type of antibody. The antibodies from the different colonies are then tested for their ability to bind to the antigen (for example with a test such as ELISA), and the most effective one is picked out.
Monoclonal antibodies can be produced in cell culture or in animals. When the hybridoma cells are injected in mice (in the peritoneal cavity, the gut), they produce tumors containing an antibody-rich fluid called ascites fluid.
Once monoclonal antibodies for a given substance have been produced, they can be used to detect for the presence and quantity of this substance, for instance in a Western blot test (to detect a substance in a solution) or an immunofluorescence test (to detect a substance in a whole cell). Monoclonal antibodies can also be used to purify a substance with techniques called immunoprecipitation and affinity chromatography.
In medicinal treatments, the small variation (if any) in recognizing the antigen helps to reduce side effects. However, there are drawbacks to using monoclonal antibodies as opposed to polyclonals. Each B-lymphocyte produces antibodies that are specific not to an antigen, but to an epitope of that antigen. An epitope is a small piece of the antigen to which the antibody binds. Polyclonal antibodies bind to many epitopes of a given antigen, while monoclonals bind to a single epitope. In the processing of antibodies, certain binding capabilities are degraded. If the monoclonal antibody is susceptible to such degradation, it is useless. Polyclonals will still be useful even if certain epitope-binding species are degraded.
In the 1970s the B-cell cancer myeloma was known, and it was understood that these cancerous B-cells all produce a single type of antibody. This was used to study the structure of antibodies, but it was not possible to produce identical antibodies specific to a given antigen.
The process of producing monoclonal antibodies described above was invented by Georges Köhler and César Milstein in 1975[5]; they shared the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1984 for the discovery. The key idea was to use a line of myeloma cells that had lost their ability to secrete antibodies, come up with a technique to fuse these cells with healthy antibody producing B-cells, and be able to select for the successfully fused cells.
In the 1980s Greg Winter pioneered the techniques to humanise monoclonal antibodies, while in the 1990s he began work on domain antibodies.
The timing of the research described above totally fits into the timeframe of the six Dharma Initiatives. It would also explain some of the extraordinary abilities of The Others. If Dharma was involved in mixing antibodies between human and other mammalian species, in order to produce hybrid antibodies, they could have then produced human hybrids that exhibit the characteristics that we’ve seen in The Others. This also fits in with my “Island Of Dr. Moreau” theory about the island. It’s becoming quite obvious that part of the initiative dealt w/ experiments in molecular biology to further promote the cause of human advancement.
I think y’all are paying too much attention to what is probably a faked Hanso film…
and as the guy ‘in-the-know’ on the fuselage site (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=23566) says: “…beware of fake hanso films!”
It was probably created using the .gif that was available on the megalottojackpot site (http://www.megalottojackpot.com/images/dharma_progression.gif), which is a valid ABC Lost website.
Also there was this image there:
http://www.megalottojackpot.com/images/willmakeyouhappy.jpg
Was there any place to use this code?
I hear ya, and I’ve read Javi’s warnings about it, but I’m not ready to believe that the 2nd Hanso film is a fake. At least not yet. I do think that the dharma_progression.gif is an early prototype done during the design phase of Season 2. Most of the images on that site look like artwork done to create the lotto tickets, logos, etc. I think they took that dharma progression idea, kept the 2 symbols they liked, and then created the other 4 that were shown in the 2nd film. I don’t get the willmakeyouhappy.jpg either. I don’t understand how the code applies, and what’s up w/ the army of mini robots? Is that something from the show I missed? The photos of the “lotto winners” all look like people who work behind the scenes on the show, like stand-ins or Art Dept. folks. What do you make of the dates on the checks? Some are dated from last year, but a couple are dated in 2009. Did Hugo win the megalotto jackpot in 2004 or 2009? I saw a .jpg of Jack’s luggage tag on another site. The date on it was Sept. 21, 2009. So, do we believe that the plane crash happened in present day, or in the future? Obviously, these “valid ABC Lost” sites like to perpetuate our confusion about the mythology of the show. Probably another case of ABC using behind-the-scenes stuff to mess with us.
jomama, if you right click w/in the megalottojackpot.com site and go to view source, you will find the following message about halfway down:
Now that you’re in on the joke, e-mail us your picture holding a 3ft wide sign, we’ll add the rest. tell us what name you want on the check. You will not receive any money of course, it’s just for fun
If the washing machine/tumble dryer thing was a continuity gaffe, why didn’t they just cut it from the show, or not film it at all. Who cares anyway…
Lostheads -
I think you are reading far too much into little insignificancies and trivialities of the show (washing machines, blurred pictures, hoax films, websites that give away nothing of importance, etc). No doubt – as has been proved already – someone will stumble upon an idea that the writers intended including, but the vast majority of tangents explored here seem not so much far out as ridiculously pointless. Example; the second Hanso Film is quite obviously a fake. I have this on very good authority. Anyone who has not lost the run of themselves and been uncontrollably caught up in the hype of the show will see this. I’m sure the creators of the film are having long chuckle to their bad teenage selves about the fuss they have caused.
I genuinely believe that if you do happen upon a theory that the writers are thinking of incorporating into the show, they will simply change it and/or introduce it at a later date (in another form). I would be surprised if the writers themselves actually know what they ultimately have planned for the characters or the theory behind the island. Or even what will be in Series Three for that matter.
Lost is great show for sure, but when it has gone I wonder if you guys will look back and think; was all the effort and time dedicated to dismantling Lost really a constructive and positive application of my time? Do I feel fulfilled or do I feel empty? What else did I do in those years in my life? Could I have done something more constructive instead of becoming obsessed with a television show?
Or will you simply switch your obsessions to another show and perpetuate the cycle? No names mentioned, you know who you are. I don’t mean to rain on the parade so I say this; maybe a reality check will help you all refresh your thinking on the real meaning and theories of the show. The three week gap in showings may be for this very reason, you never know……
To actually take something positive and corporeal from the show when it is all said and done I would recommend Lostheads read Cosmic Trigger and Illumintaus! by Robert Anton Wilson. You will love the relevance of numbers, synchronicities, conspiracy theories, wild science fictions, and most importantly the real-life meaning in Wilson’s musings.
Another robot learns to feel…
On wikipedia, they are posting the dates of the upcoming episodes.
There is four episodes back to back in November, up to Nov. 30, then just ONE episode on December 14. Then there is no new episodes till Jan. 11. and 18th. What are they trying to do? Make the season drawn out longer? This makes me very angry. If ABC keeps spacing out the episodes for long periods, new viewers may quickly lose interest, and people who want to watch but get frustrated with the lack of consective episodes may just not bother watching the show at all even if it is a new episode.
Its a good show, and I hate to see them drag it out and kill the potential interest of it to new viewers, which would enhance the show’s ratings, and thus extend its seasons on the air.
P.S. Maybe we are getting to the point where its ridiculous to be speculative about a washer-dryer and a unconfirmed film. (article above)
ya know, this is all in good fun here. if somebody wants to rain on the parade, then so be it. nobody is stopping anyone else from posting whatever they feel like on these forums. part of the fun here is bouncing different ideas off of one another simply to see what others think about the smartest drama to come down the TV pipeline in years. personally, my life is no less fulfilled with or without “Lost.” to imply that it is, is simply ignorant. how could you possibly presume to know anything about anyone from web postings on a fansite? i respect everybody’s opinions here, not matter how seemingly real or outlandish. we are discussing a work of fiction after all, so there are no rules to go by. you are really only limited by your own imagination, or lack thereof.
Personally I just think the washing machine and tumble dryer were to do with the whole product placement thing. The book they’re releasing is to do with product placement too because so many people go out of the room when the ads come on or tape the show and forawrd past the ads. I think they’re going to get rid of them all together and have the advertising in the show like on that movie the truman show.
By the way the book storyline does sound like it’ll tie in with the show. On lost-media.com it says this:
“Bad Twin will be the story of a private eye seeking out the evil twin of a wealthy heir.”
I know Ana-Lucia used to be a cop and I thought maybe she became a private eye after she got fired from being a cop. I know Boone was pretty rich and so is Hurley. Don’t forget Charlie said he was worth a few trillion too if I remember right (j/k). I just think the private eye will be Ana-Lucia.
One seems to be somewhat on the back foot, Jomama. To resort to insults is to take my post personally rather than generally, as it was intended. Your response could be likened to that of a petulant schoolboy after having scorn poured upon his choice of pursuits, a vehemently uncouth retort to an honest observation made by a fellow Lost fan. I meant no disrespect. I said I did NOT want to rain on the parade, but that some thoughts here seem to have become rather acute and intagible. I merely making a judged observation after surfing all the posts on the forum, of which it has to be said you have a lions share. I wish I had your time to dedicate to such pursuits. If you take off your “Lost” tinted spectacles for a moment, you’ll see I make as valid a comment about the show and the ensuing fervor as any other posted here!
I do enjoy your posts.
P.S. Charlie was being sarcastic when he said he was worth trillions. It was a hearty slice of English irony in the face of what was perceived to be a yarn by Hurley.
This isn’t a forum or a Lost fan site, people; this is a weblog, and it’s my weblog. Closing comments now. Thanks to everyone for all the input. I’ll post something new after Wednesday’s episode.